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http://www.victoriacoren.com/main/blog/archive/pick_on_someone_your_own_size


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Should have titled it 'Uhl be a woman soon'

Always a joy to read good penmanship, green with envy.

What a great read. She should try her hand at journalism.................

Just hendonmob him lol

Jason may play this one next year and  try to boost his hendonmob flags.

I think he's a freaking looser or Billy No Mate type kind if person!

Great read

Really well written and yes the guy seems a wanker as described. BUT what is a player who has won as much as Vicky doing playing in a game for 'the mothers and wives and women in novelty poker earrings'? Does she change and play nicey wicey? Or is she a friendly faced Brandon in sheep's clothing?

To make it fair there should be a men only event, what about all us internet kids who are having fun chatting away to the male either side of us, then a female with a heaving bosom comes along and we don't no what to do with ourselves so go into our shells, decide to try and impress her the only way we know how by trying a 6b bluff to show her how incred we are and are heading for the door, bit of balance plz.

PMSL no wonder he is playing a perceived "soft event"

A great piece, but so hypocritical.

Surely someone as bright as Vicky can see the irony.

It sounded like a similar thing to the blonde bash. Large range of ability but even the technically better players have a bit of a laugh and don't take it too seriously. At the last game we had a couple of players come over from the £150, which spoilt the mood a bit on my table. I was happy when he was eliminated :)

I didn't realise women only events weren't technically women only.  I've heard of men playing them before but for some reason assumed they've had special circumstances somehow that's allowed them in (don't ask me what, nieve I know lol)  

I'm pretty sure we've all been at a table before where someone has come along and ruined some atmosphere that's been going on.

Although I genuinely abhor the men trying to ruin this event on the day, has the ladies only event truly achieved anything over the years its been running in terms of female participation in poker? The record books suggests the impact has been minimal - and it may even have the reverse effect as a lot of players only have enough for one buy-in, which they will inevitably use here.

I think the WSOP has reached the stage now where women can enter open events without too much fear and trepidation. If it's more about introducing people to poker through a 'nice, friendly atmosphere', then maybe an amateur event for players who don't possess a WSOP cash would be more suitable. I certainly raise an eyebrow when I see the likes of established, experienced pros Vannesa Selbst, Kathy Liebert, and Victoria Coren playing the event.

Great writing but she is a journalist :-)

I can see what people are saying about the fact she is herself an experienced player and why is she playing the event, well she does say, it is because she enjoys it and having her there might actually attract more players. I'm sure she is pleasant and friendly at the table. Also she said her issue was the guy's attitude at the table not that he was playing a soft tournament (I am guessing most of us do this). Also if he had been nice about it they probably would have been fine with it. I don't think the article is hypocritical. If she had been complaining about him playing in a soft tournament then it would have been.

I'd like to see her reaction to a 'Men Only' tournament.

That's almost what we have everywhere! Must be 97% men in >1k comps. That's one of the key points of the article.

Irrespective of whether there is a 'benefit' to it (casino employees event??), it is a nice feature, which proves that thereis interest from the fairer sex. We should celebrate the fact that it's an equal game that anyone can enjoy. Rather than it being discriminatory, I think it's embracing; it encourages recreational - shy - players in a male-dominated world to give it a go.

The better players are in it at least partly because they are supporting the event. They prob see it as a bracelet they can surely win but I'd argue the overriding factor is one of enjoyment rather than personal gain.

Don't see phil Ivey in there trying to get his bracelet bet going!

Tbf, are there many communities that are less intimidating than poker players, really ? Just seems like a load of bollocks to me.

UHL is a complete Spanner for playing this tournament, for the sheer fact that the tournament is called "WSOP Ladies event" Imagine that on his Hendon Mob...

But on the flip side, Vicky did say that if he responded better and made a joke or was charming, maybe the fear that was projected at the table by his presence would have been diluted and he would have been accepted..

I've seen all the comments of why Vicky is a hypocrite playing this event and being a professional poker player etc etc etc... But the fact is that she is a lady and is playing an event designed for Ladies...

How would UHL feel if Vicky entered an Event that was designed for "Spanners" I'm sure he and his fellow tools would be annoyed...  

World Spanners Only Poker

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The worst thing about the annual debate/controversy about men entering the ladies event is that the people who claim to be taking the moral high ground also feel the need to humiliate and ridicule those men that do enter.



 

I would enter a 'Ladies only' competition without compunction. (or contraception).

Well don't enter a speed mating event without the above...

I am going to scoop tons of gold medals at the local primary school's sports day this year.

I was sat at a table in the Irish open with a table of "ace faces" ( even Cos was there ) and Miss Coren had bust out early and came to tell her bad beat to Mr Bad Beat. "what am I to do now in Dublin on a bank holiday" she raged.
"There is a ladies event" I informed her.

[ ] err yeah that went down well.

Ah, but the kiddies don't demand to compete against the adults.

If it were legal to enter the primary school's sports day events, and the prize money was the same as for that women's poker, there would be quite a few, er, shall we say, more mature entrants.

Why shouldn't they? Seems like the most appropriate response.

Vicky's blog covered that didn't it? The prize money and the bracelet are still available in the Ladies event - but you don't get hundreds of men entering.

I didn't say hundreds Jon, I said 'quite a few'.

Anyway, it would be nice to hear Mr Uhl's version of events.

Obviously because by acting in this manner (for example the behaviour of the wsop floorstaff when a man made the FT last year) they lose the moral highground which they seem to think is so important in this 'issue'

How do people feel about younger players entering the Seniors Event?

Wooshed everyone ? or just not as funny as I thought :)

Were there any?

Many, I believe.

It's just the same principle right ?

Not really Ray. Most youngsters get old. Not many men become women.

It depends on their behaviour and your view of morality.

If people object and do so in a rude and obnoxious behaviour - that's no better
but banter and piss taking are a long step down from that (imo)

EDIT: also most people who object don't even do that - they just point out their flaws.

That really has no relevance that I can see.
The issue is that people are entering a competition not "designed" for them.

It is designed for them, when they get old.

They're not old when they enter; it's pretty clear.

To be honest... i find her post rather stupid... I mean, who exactly is vicky coren to talk about "fairness" in poker? She hasn't paid for a tourney entry in 10 years ONLY because she was a "soso" good-looking chick that plays poker....Obv she is some kind of "celebrity" and gets paid to do nothing just like many other PS-pros (Boris Becker etc...) But there are literally hundreds if not thousands of british players that could destroy her in any format/stakes that do not get any kind of sponsorship just because they are random "online nerds"... so... even if registering for a Ladies only event is just sad... who is she to start picking on someone that had to pay the 1k from his own pocket maybe because he couldn't afford anything else and just wanted to take a shot to a softer field...!?

I just don't see how anyone on her position with so much "free roll" money can post something like that and give the guy's name just for everyone to know... its like picking a fight with an 8yo boy because he is playing football with 7yos... 

On a more personal anecdote... I had her to my left in Barcelona 2 years ago in the EPT... and she was sooooooooooo annoying it was just incredible... she was talking to every guy playing the "imablondechickbutimaproandimawomansoiknowwhatmenthink" role...while trying to pull off some weird moves like min-raising every paired board just to fold to every scandinavian's 2nd barrel on the turn... (watch this video...this guy is actually my coach on Educapoker, where I first learnt how to play poker...but...whatever...just watch the master move and her non-repping anything).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPa2qFrVcuU

She's entilted to an opinion just like everyone else, and seems more intelligent than most.

Just for the record, I admire Vicky a great deal and think she richly deserves any sponsorship she gets. I just happen to disagree with her on this occasion.

I just think this seems more like a public humiliation than an opinion... Quoting Spiderman (I think... haha) "whith great power comes great responsibility"... and I don't think she should be publishing peoples names and picking on someone that was obviously taking a shot and was probably a young immature lad.... dunno...

There are 6 $1,000 events which aren't designed for women or seniors - if he'd entered one of those to take a shot nobody would think he was an idiot

Some people would think he was an idiot for entering one of those instead of the ladies event.

Men and women are different.

What exactly is wrong with letting women having one tournament out of 60 where they can play poker together?

Just seems mean spirited to spoil their fun.

Because they would complain if men did it.

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=403

Think you'll find Vicky's hendonmob is more impressive than many of the other Pokerstars Pro's.

Especially when you consider she only plays a handful of events every year.

All other poker tournaments are virtually men only!

The women's one was virtually women only.

There are women only chess tournaments., darts tournaments, snooker tournaments etc

Are you against those too?

I'm not against any of them, so long as women don't object to men only competitions.

Have to agree with The Camel on this.

There are women only chess events (largely because the same problem exists with numbers). It's just about inconceivable that a man would enter those.

Chess has the same number of petty, narcissistic buffoons as poker but even they wouldn't drag their knuckles to play in the Women's World Championships, for example.

It isn't sexist - the event does not preventing men from enjoying poker in Vegas for those three days. It isn't demeaning to women - there isn't a dress code that they have to play in bikinis (don't get me started on beach volleyball!) or that they have to shower together.

It is completely harmless, as long as it's treated with respect.

So is a men only event.

Have any women actually objected to a mens only event?

They've objected to men only everything else.

It makes my blood boil

You may be right, however I can't find any mention of it anywhere.

At least it was won by an over 50.. ironically a woman!!

Agree with Tom, and there are no men only events for women to object to. But what I dislike more is the ridic overreation to a few blokes playing it, so what. Who care, really. The contempt they're treated with, abuse from women and the rail, idiots like Negreanu asking for pics of them to be posted so they can be chastised for their heinous crime, rounds of applause when they bust or take a bad beat, I mean that's not at all classless as well is it?

The amount of people on twitter, like Neagreanu, calling guys out, slagging them off, saying how disgraceful it was, embarrassing, all this shite, really? Is there not more in the world to worry about that whether a load of people sat round playing cards have appendages or not? Who gives a shit.

I really like Vicky and her writing, but the way she treated a guy for wanting to play a game of cards...and because he's ruthless and wants to play a soft game, is that not what poker is all about, ruthlessly taking someone's money. On one thread Camel is saying how sensible Feldman's bumhunting was, this seem to be what Vicky is accusing this guy of. I'd find it pretty patronising if a sponsored pro wanted to play in the event I was playing in so she coud have a laugh, enjoy stories about fishing trips and compared handbags and earrings.

If you're too scared, timid or embarrassed to venture into a plush Vegas cardroom to sit down n play poker, whatever your sex, maybe u should look for a new hobby

Ironic that you should suggest it's a bad thing then give the perfect example of the attitude which means the Ladies event has a reason to exist.

And I'm pretty sure almost every poker player in the world thinks poker is about having fun and enjoying yourself.

The majority of professionals might agree with that statement though - but that's a very small minority.

the 'what would they say if there was a men only tournament' gets dragged up every time women's only events are mentioned.  i've always said that i didn't think there would be any issue from women, despite a number of men seeming to thing they/we would kick up.  iirc there was a 'men only' EPT (I think) event a year or two back and i'm pretty sure no one got a bee in their bonnet  - so that hypothetical argument is no longer a valid one.

Think they should introduce topless women's tournaments.

As already mentioned nobody really bothers about men only tennis, chess, golf or anything else tournaments.  I don't really get that point of view at all.  I would think that the only reason there isn't generally mens only events is there is no demand for it.  

'Pretty sure'...  'IIRC'...   (I think)'.....

Not a very convincing way to invalidate my argument.

I'm pretty sure women would object to men only tournaments, and I'm pretty sure Vicky would be at the front of the queue.

EPT Deauville side event this year

Google comes up with one mention on 2+2 - and that was just somebody asking why and people saying because women have women only tournaments

EDIT: and women wouldn't object because as has already been mentioned - a men only poker tournament is virtually the same as a poker tournament

It's all about putting the guys off from entering not encouraging them :)

They could do a mens only topless one on the same day?

I'm just arguing the principle here.

Some kid exercises his right to play in a women only comp and gets vilified in public. We hear a one sided story. He has no opportunity to defend himself.

Imagine if the boot was on the other foot and Vicky exercised her right to enter a men only comp, and then some bloke who is in the public eye tore her to pieces and ridiculed her in public?

It's the word 'Virtually' that lets your argument down.

The women only comp was 'virtually' all women, so why is Vicky getting her knickers in a knot?

forgive my vagueness - i was posting from memory. i should obviously have checked all the facts before posting.  'I think' was because I couldn't remember if it was an EPT or a WPT event.  I knew there was an event because there was a post about it here.  the use of 'iirc' was politeness.  I'm only 'pretty sure' no one got a bee in their bonnet because i didn't see anything.  there may have been someone kicking up a fuss in some dark corner of the internet that i accidentally missed.

Thank you.

I'm glad your vague argument didn't render my excellent one invalid.

Now go and do some ironing.  :-*

There is a lot of tosh being spoken in this thread by people who are normally a lot more on the ball.

Personally I see no reason why in an ideal world there should be women only events.

In a black and white situation clearly it is not right to have men only or women only anything where physical ability doesn't matter. The real world is not always black and white.

Women don't turn up to play in numbers. Some say it is because of the overtly masculine environment. What is the harm of having the odd the event they can play that they don't feel like they are coming into an alien environment?

In most contests you would expect players to play within the "spirit of the game". The men that play these tournaments certainly have no spirit of the game and anybody who sticks up for them can't have either. It might sound extreme but I would put these people in the same category as any dirty angle-shooter because at the end of the day it is the same.

There are a gazillion other poker tournaments that they can play.

Anybody commending them for taking poker to it's purist elements by exploiting the weak spots is doing it completely out of context. They are classless idiots pure and simple.

I'll never run a women only tournament. Not because I don't think they have their place (I wish they didn't) but because I don't want to get sued by some arrogant, classless jerk who I stop from playing.

If you feel your rights as a man are being infringed there are better ways to go about protesting.

I offered my opinions and conducted my argument in a civil manner.

I didn't resort to insults and name calling.

I take great exception to your remarks.

Every year the guys who entered have suffered ridicule. It's just this year Miss Coren took it one stage further.  

Mr Uhl must have expected a reaction, maybe not this reaction but he got one none the less. It's not like Marcellus Wallace chucked him out of a 4th storey window

I wasn't calling you any names. I was not referring to anybody in thread with the comments you have bolded and I apologise if anyone else has got that impression.

I do however stand by referring to the men who play these events as I did which is who the bolded bits are aimed at. It may not be civil but in my opinion they are not civil either.

Two wrongs don't make a right I know that but it does make you feel better when your blood is boiling. Anyone who knows me would attest that doesn't happen often.

I don't think I ever said Feldman bumhunting was sensible.

I just didn't understand why he was criticised so much for it.

I had no idea the lengths he went to to get the fish heads up.

Just think there's things way more important to get het up about than a bunch of womn who want to play a poker tournament together without having men involved.

I'm not het up about it Keith, but I do think it's worth debating, (as it seems do you)

Vicky seemed pretty het up about it though.

There are lots of men only things, and lots of women only things.

Some of the men only things are rotten & pernicious.

The women only things are generally part of an honourable tradition of positive discrimination

Men need to just accept these things as reasonable and a just response to centuries of subjugation.

Its obvious really

That's probably the best counter argument I've heard.


Carpark.

lol, always mad for a fight :-)

Me too. (Women only obv).

Not sure that's irony.

How can it be a reason for a women only tournament to exist when, as stated, there's members of both sexes who will be/would have been in days gone past too timid to enter a cardroom?

Agree completely, tho more on the subject as whole. If there's a women only tournament, who cares. If some chancers wanna play it, they're welcome to it, who cares. People saying their blood is boiling and all this....coz a couple of fellas played cards? Would hate to see their reaction if something bad happened

I mean het up enough to play the tournament!

Maybe blood boiling was a bit over the top. I take that bit back, it was more astonishment that some people on here thought it was Ok :) Anyway perfectly calm and off on holiday soon. I'll chip in with my opinion on something again in a year or so no doubt.

Nirvana wins the thread anyway.

There's always something a bit icky about someone who is in a traditional majority group complaining about a piece of inequality they have suffered - it comes across as bleating.

As a straight, white, able-bodied man I would just feel too much like a bully to kick up that much of a fuss about a tiny thing going against one of my areas of traditional power.

And a women-only poker tournament is the smallest single thing I could ever think of.

Maybe a last minute winner.

Seems to me that the tournament has a tradition of being played in a sisterly spirit and that the invasion by a handful of males intent on proving a point is breaking that tradition.

Vicky can do no wrong in my eyes and although I think she's being over sensitive here she's entitled to write about it and to slant it how she chooses. The reported reaction of the guy is pretty poor, as is that of the tournament floor person.

Frankly, if you want to be a mould breaker Mr Uhl, you need a substantially thicker skin.

What about a straight, white, able bodied woman, a professional poker player no less. kicking up a fuss about some nonentity of a kid playing some no-account poker tournament?

Double standards.

I think part of the problem is that they're not doing it to prove a point - at least the people who genuinely think a women only tournament is 'wrong' have some kind of point to make (even if you disagree with it). If they were doing it for the principle they would be actively engaging people and drawing attention to the fact that they were making a point - the bigger problem is the group of players like this one who are just doing it because it's a softer field.

lol i'm starting to think you're just trolling now!  did she really kick up a fuss about him (or any of the other 15 or so guys) playing the tournament? No. she commented on the fact that the aggressive stance he took spoiled the atmosphere for many of the other participants who choose not to play in regular events and see this one as a bit of a special occasion. 

Perhaps there were plenty of other women in the tournament, deeply disappointed at seeing a man spoil the atmosphere at the table, but who didn't have the confidence to speak up (maybe one of the reasons they were playing in this tourney than one of the 98% male ones) pleased that someone did speak up.

Did she really kick up a fuss about him? Have you read the piece? She absolutely crucified him. In public.

Guy must be mad, he had all day to chat Vicky up and wasted it, they should have removed him from the comp just for that imo.

of course i read the piece.  did you read the rest of my post?

I think you could safely call her reaction kicking up a fuss.

lol. yes. agreed.  i was saying i didn't think the fuss kicking uppage was about the fact that he was playing the tournament but about other factors (that i spelled out in my previous post).

I understand that, but that's her side of the story. We haven't heard his side.

I think everyone should read her latest blog before getting their knickers pants in a twist.

fyp as Vicky's post seems pretty clearly to do with his attitude and the spirit he was playing it in rather than just the fact that he was a man playing the ladies event

Do you have a time machine we can borrow?  ;)

Link plz

http://www.victoriacoren.com/main/blog/archive/the_guy_from_the_ladies_event (http://www.victoriacoren.com/main/blog/archive/the_guy_from_the_ladies_event)

With help from google

One of the most hypocritical things I've ever read.

Have your say and then lock the thread eh? WP Vicky.

I'm sorry for starting this thread, pretty obvious Tom is suffering from PMT, so I have decided to close the thread, no more replies thx  :kiss:

 :D

Lets finish with a good reason why railing ladies only poker is the best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttZeH7zNU8M

Regards

M

go back to your fridge k

So u think she would have the same attitude in normal tournaments to men (and women) who are surly at the table and don't make the experience fun for others?

I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't really give a shit tbh, it's never easy to think up interesting columns to write. I've written plenty of 'opinion' pieces in the past that have an opinion different to my own

If she wasnt a pro and getting her entry paid for her then is synpathize more. This guy with a very poor Hendon MLB paid 1k out f his own money.

LOL, Pads has been herbified.

Who writes these "laws" that mean they can't legally run a women only tournament?

If need be have an identical men only tournament on the same day. How can that be discriminating to anyone given the other 100 events are all open for anyone to enter?

This is how well I run. Vicky Coren takes exception to a man playing the ladies event and manages to make him look like an idiot and writes about it! I take exception to the man playing on my day 2 table who bust 2 ladies. After the 2nd knockout when he apologises for knocking her out I ask him if he is ashamed of himself. He replies and says that he is playing for his very ill wife and makes me look like a tool.

Question is, does it matter WHY any of these men are playing?

For the record the Venetian did not allow any men in their ladies tournament.  Some tried to register but they were told that if they did play the event they would be banned from playing at the Venetian thereafter. That seemed to work!

Well given that in the past she has written at least one blog post about someone whose attitude she disapproved of at an EPT then there is a fair chance - but obviously the point was that the Ladies event is different, and most men see that it's different - and that's why you don't get hundreds of them entering.




It's a blog - a look down the previous entries shows sometimes she's written 1 entry in a month and other times 8 - i.e. it's pretty clear she just writes when she feels she has something to write about.

Did you hold an identical men only tournament on the same day? No.

Did anyone else? No.

Could you force someone to? No.

Would it make any difference if you did? No.

Look at it this way. If you were to advertise a job for men only on the grounds that there are hundreds of other jobs women can apply for, it would still be discriminatory and it would still be against the law. Thats because women have fought long and hard to end this discrimination, and rightly so. I take my hat off to them.

So why, after such a hard fought battle to gain equality, fought I might add on the premise that women are just as capable as men, would they think it's OK to start discriminating the other way.

Consider this. Women now have the right to a job as say, a soldier, or a fire-fighter.

For a woman to have a job as a fire-fighter, separate sleeping, washing, and changing facilities have to be installed in the crew quarters. Then, the rest of her male colleges have to moderate there behaviour to accommodate her. No more swearing, walking around in their underpants, telling rude, jokes or watching blue movies while waiting for a shout.

Well that's fine by me. I'm all for equality, but not when those same women fire fighters and soldiers can enter a poker tournament that is off limits to the men they work along side.

There's a principle here. Surely you can see that?

Vicky openly admits that she started on this kid.

What did he do? Did he tell her to go fuck herself? No. he did what any reasonable person would do if someone started to harass them during a poker tournament. He called the floor.

He doesn't sound like the aggressive type that women need to be protected from to me.

surely the principle is that men can enter these poker tournaments as the women they work with - but nearly all of them choose not to.

Can't you see the reason why they choose not to?

Of course. That's not the point I'm arguing at all.

The fact that men can enter if they so choose is the thing that makes it fair. Just as women being able to join the fire service makes it fair.

I'm arguing the case for the minority who choose to exercise that right.

Having the right to enter is what makes it fair

The minority who choose to exercise that right and then behave in a way that spoils the enjoyment for those who have only entered because it's a ladies event are crass and classless and there's no reason why they shouldn't be made an example of for being so.

There are other men who enter - if they are genuinely protesting against inequality, fair enough. Even if they're their for the soft field but they're 'nice' when they play - that still means that the tournament is serving it's purpose (making a non-intimidating environment) - it's only the boorish few who are called out for it.

But I can't make any counter-arguments any better than Vicky did in her blog post where she pretty much addressed every criticism - so if you're just going to ignore every point which doesn't suit your purpose then it's hardly worth it. I'm still not entirely convinced that it isn't just trolling.

But it is not in the long term interest of the minority to act insuch a classless manner. It's far better that recognise the intent of the tournament and allow women to play on their own. Getting the majority to resent the minority does no favours to anyone.

Vicky admitted to attacking first, and apparently the lad was sitting quietly 'Sullenly' with his hoody pulled up. It sounds to me like she was the boorish one. Still, we only have her version of events so it's difficult to say.

Addressed every criticism? she deleted the criticism and then gave us, in her words, an edited version of what it was.

Then she addressed the bits she wanted to address contradicting herself several times in the process. then she closed the discussion.

Why you should think I'm trolling just because I don't agree with you is beyond me.

For the record, I like and respect Vicky, and you for that matter. In fact I have no axe to grind with anyone in the thread.

Why do people assume that lively debate equals a row?

I think that if men want to play in the ladies' event they should at least dress up in drag.

Not sure he cashed, maybe he needs to find a softer game.

Maybe the women weren't the only ones who were shy and sensitive and didn't enjoy being picked on.

I wasn't saying I had organised such a tournament or that anyone had, I was suggesting it as a solution

Is it discriminatory that men aren't allowed in women's toilets or visa versa?

No, because it's the same for both. It would be discriminatory if women were allowed in men's toilets but also had women only toilets.

Don't you agree?

He deserved a little ribbing and if he could not muster at least a decent reponse to the question of the reasons for entering the ladies tourney then he got what was coming.  It's mildly amusing if a man dresses up, has a laugh, enjoys the friendly banter etc. but to be sullen, quiet and unfriendly good fuk him and everyone should continue to abuse
Him

I completely agree thus proving my solution of running an identical men only tournament at the same time would be a fair solution

These are not crimes. he's entitles to be quiet if he likes, and he's under no obligation to answer anyone's questions.

Also, those 'facts' were given to us by Vicky. With the best will in the worls I suspect she may have been a little bit bias.
 
I imagine Mr Ule's version would be somewhat different.

And individual tournaments for Muslims , Jews , Budhists , Homosexuals and Kangaroos with one leg

Should be one tournament only ,  that everybody is free to enter

There are seperate ladies and gents toilets everywhere. It would not be a solution to have a ladies only toilet and a sign saying 'Someone should provide a gent's toilet'.

Would you personally agree to run a parallel 'men only' tournament every time there's a ladies only one?

If not, will you make sure someone else does it?

If the answer to these questions is 'No' then it's not really a solution then is it?

I expect it's quite intimidating getting a little ribbing from someone as articulate as Vicky rather than your average person.

I playing poker against her is quite intimidating too.

I know. I was that soldier.

Without wanting to go around in circles (because I think you agreed with my principle of it being fair if the same thing is offered to both) I'm not suggesting any signs are put up or that it's a solution to world peace but in the specific case of the wsop ladies event I think it's a good solution.

I can't personally guarantee anything unfortunately, was just suggesting a solution which seems fair for the wsop to overcome this perennial problem

When they run an identical parallel men only tournament, I will agree that, on those occasions, women only tournaments are fair.

Run a mens only tournament and womens only tournament in parallel.

Have the winners play heads up in a battle of the sexes match.

toilet analogy is an odd one, but I'm gonna go with it.

busy event, lots of people in attendance.  it's open to all but let's say the population is about 90% male.  there's a long corridor where the toilets are located.  there's one male toilet (no queue), 10 unisex toilets (again, no queues to get in) and three female toilets, all of which have a lot of people waiting to use them.  Someone approaches one of the women in the queue to enquire why she doesn't just use one of the unisex toilets.  "thanks - but I'm more comfortable waiting to use this one".  A few guys start getting the hump about there being more female toilets than male toilets.  "It's not fair".  Some of them join the queue to use the women's toilets to "make a point".  Are they not acting in a slightly knobbish manner? Would they not expect to get a bit of ribbing from some of the more forthright women in attendance, when it is obvious that their intention to use the women's facilities is making some of the other women uncomfortable? Then there are cries for the women's toilets to be banned because they're "not fair".  Eventually it's agreed to shut down the women's toilet (and the solitary men's toilet) and only have unisex facilities.  Who has actually 'won'?

Men entering something just for women is like a form of pollution. It's like a big tanker hitting the rocks off some beautiful desert island and dirty oil leaking out into the crystal blue waters. Sure, it isn't against the law for the tanker to be in the sea or to crash into the rocks but it is decidedly unpleasant nonetheless. I must admit that when I read Vicky put a pair of tights on at the table I felt like I wanted to enter. Just to sit there surrounded by women for hours, intoxicated by the perfume in the air, being 3bet and 4bet by ample chests everywhere. Oh my lord. But unfortunately I work on an oil tanker and it is dirty and it smells and our job is to sail past the beautiful island on our way to Grimsby or Hull.

If I did have the balls to enter a women's only event, fnar, I see myself as being charming and witty. Perhaps bringing some little gifts to hand around the table or indulge in chatter about Sex in the City. I think sitting down hooded up all sallow, moody and starting arguments is indicative of the life fail many young poker players are experiencing today. It's like arriving at the beautiful desert island and complaining about the heat or the flies.

I can't ?

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c

:D

The guys who enter these tourneys just have no style and no class.

Entering just because you can is totally irrelevant.

He cashed in 69 for $2359

Obviously not soft enough. Maybe he should try the Casino employees one next year

As is posting in this thread.

What is the situation were reversed?

I'm going to retire from this thread now.


I hope I've made my position clear, and if we don't agree, I hope I haven't offended anyone.

Anyway. Mantis has arrived. He just talks complete bollocks but he's well hard.

I am offended

Excellent, Mantis dominates as usual!

I don't think any of the Ladies - First of all I'm gonna big up the ladies Lookin slender an fine Mmm, mine - are going to be intimidated about going into a casino/cardroom etc
I don't think anybody who puts down a $1,000 for a Poker Tourney is going to be intimidated about going into a casino/cardroom/playing against a sullen boy in a hoody/or Vicky C

just charge 5% extra rake for breast cancer or something similar?

Romeo Dunn?

When I first read Vicky's article I thought good on her, what a prat that guy is. However I don't think she should have spoken to the guy like that and he doesn't deserve to be villified publicly like he has been.

I think the women's event is a great thing - I can understand why poker can be intimidating and not fun for many women to partake in. I sometimes cringe at the way some men behave in their presence at the tables. This event is designed to encourage more women to play and enjoy the game which will hopefully encourage them to play in more normal tournaments.

I'd therefore like the event to stay and the Rio to put men off entering by doing what Michelle said the Venetian do - let them register if they want but ban them from their properties thereafter.

Surely a lot of people here have experience of this btw? I took the gf (in before thin) to a couple of local games and she didn't enjoy at all and didn't want to play again. The second one we played wasn't really very fun and attracted the "serious" crowd. It was a mistake to take her to it really but hey ho. But then we went to the blonde bash and she loved it. The more casual friendly setting made all the difference in the world.

Good Points both.....but isnt what CF has highlighted the difference between playing for real money or playing for fun /low levels ? ?

I understand how horrible a poker tournament can be at times but one has to remember a lot of people are playing for their livelihood so their actions can be somewhat pressured  .

If a women( or a man ) feels intimidated at a "real " poker table well unfortunately thats something they just have to over come to succeed !

Can you imagine Beckham and others not wanting to play in large stadiums because of the rude crowds ?

Did Feldman play in the event?

wp

I think that's a pretty lame excuse... lots of people do all sorts of things 'for their livelihood', things much more unpleasant than sitting around a table in the warm, yet they manage to do their jobs without being rude, sexist and downright unfriendly.

If my livelihood depended on getting new inexperienced players to the tables, I think I would do my best to make them feel welcome and comfortable.

I think u will defo play this comp next year COS .
U will become a ladyboy since u been living to long in
Thailand and there so many there. It's cheap to u aswell with
convertion of £ to Thai Baht . Get it done mate

+1     

+2

rofl <3 u frankie

Ultimately this type of thing will see this event removed from the schedule, benefiting no one.

The womans event does not discriminate as no man is worse off by not playing.

There may be a perceived lack of equality, but women have put up with this for years.

Men who play this game are simply idiots, with no idea of what this game is about.