Uhl be alright. A ladies event blog, by Vicky Coren

[RED-DOG]

There is a lot of tosh being spoken in this thread by people who are normally a lot more on the ball.

Personally I see no reason why in an ideal world there should be women only events.

In a black and white situation clearly it is not right to have men only or women only anything where physical ability doesn't matter. The real world is not always black and white.

Women don't turn up to play in numbers. Some say it is because of the overtly masculine environment. What is the harm of having the odd the event they can play that they don't feel like they are coming into an alien environment?

In most contests you would expect players to play within the "spirit of the game". The men that play these tournaments certainly have no spirit of the game and anybody who sticks up for them can't have either. It might sound extreme but I would put these people in the same category as any dirty angle-shooter because at the end of the day it is the same.

There are a gazillion other poker tournaments that they can play.

Anybody commending them for taking poker to it's purist elements by exploiting the weak spots is doing it completely out of context. They are classless idiots pure and simple.

I'll never run a women only tournament. Not because I don't think they have their place (I wish they didn't) but because I don't want to get sued by some arrogant, classless jerk who I stop from playing.

If you feel your rights as a man are being infringed there are better ways to go about protesting.

I offered my opinions and conducted my argument in a civil manner.

I didn't resort to insults and name calling.

I take great exception to your remarks.

[smashedagain]

Every year the guys who entered have suffered ridicule. It's just this year Miss Coren took it one stage further.  

Mr Uhl must have expected a reaction, maybe not this reaction but he got one none the less. It's not like Marcellus Wallace chucked him out of a 4th storey window

[luckyblind]

There is a lot of tosh being spoken in this thread by people who are normally a lot more on the ball.

Personally I see no reason why in an ideal world there should be women only events.

In a black and white situation clearly it is not right to have men only or women only anything where physical ability doesn't matter. The real world is not always black and white.

Women don't turn up to play in numbers. Some say it is because of the overtly masculine environment. What is the harm of having the odd the event they can play that they don't feel like they are coming into an alien environment?

In most contests you would expect players to play within the "spirit of the game". The men that play these tournaments certainly have no spirit of the game and anybody who sticks up for them can't have either. It might sound extreme but I would put these people in the same category as any dirty angle-shooter because at the end of the day it is the same.

There are a gazillion other poker tournaments that they can play.

Anybody commending them for taking poker to it's purist elements by exploiting the weak spots is doing it completely out of context. They are classless idiots pure and simple.

I'll never run a women only tournament. Not because I don't think they have their place (I wish they didn't) but because I don't want to get sued by some arrogant, classless jerk who I stop from playing.

If you feel your rights as a man are being infringed there are better ways to go about protesting.

I offered my opinions and conducted my argument in a civil manner.

I didn't resort to insults and name calling.

I take great exception to your remarks.

I wasn't calling you any names. I was not referring to anybody in thread with the comments you have bolded and I apologise if anyone else has got that impression.

I do however stand by referring to the men who play these events as I did which is who the bolded bits are aimed at. It may not be civil but in my opinion they are not civil either.

Two wrongs don't make a right I know that but it does make you feel better when your blood is boiling. Anyone who knows me would attest that doesn't happen often.

[The Camel]

Agree with Tom, and there are no men only events for women to object to. But what I dislike more is the ridic overreation to a few blokes playing it, so what. Who care, really. The contempt they're treated with, abuse from women and the rail, idiots like Negreanu asking for pics of them to be posted so they can be chastised for their heinous crime, rounds of applause when they bust or take a bad beat, I mean that's not at all classless as well is it?

The amount of people on twitter, like Neagreanu, calling guys out, slagging them off, saying how disgraceful it was, embarrassing, all this shite, really? Is there not more in the world to worry about that whether a load of people sat round playing cards have appendages or not? Who gives a shit.

I really like Vicky and her writing, but the way she treated a guy for wanting to play a game of cards...and because he's ruthless and wants to play a soft game, is that not what poker is all about, ruthlessly taking someone's money. On one thread Camel is saying how sensible Feldman's bumhunting was, this seem to be what Vicky is accusing this guy of. I'd find it pretty patronising if a sponsored pro wanted to play in the event I was playing in so she coud have a laugh, enjoy stories about fishing trips and compared handbags and earrings.

If you're too scared, timid or embarrassed to venture into a plush Vegas cardroom to sit down n play poker, whatever your sex, maybe u should look for a new hobby

I don't think I ever said Feldman bumhunting was sensible.

I just didn't understand why he was criticised so much for it.

I had no idea the lengths he went to to get the fish heads up.

Just think there's things way more important to get het up about than a bunch of womn who want to play a poker tournament together without having men involved.

[RED-DOG]

Agree with Tom, and there are no men only events for women to object to. But what I dislike more is the ridic overreation to a few blokes playing it, so what. Who care, really. The contempt they're treated with, abuse from women and the rail, idiots like Negreanu asking for pics of them to be posted so they can be chastised for their heinous crime, rounds of applause when they bust or take a bad beat, I mean that's not at all classless as well is it?

The amount of people on twitter, like Neagreanu, calling guys out, slagging them off, saying how disgraceful it was, embarrassing, all this shite, really? Is there not more in the world to worry about that whether a load of people sat round playing cards have appendages or not? Who gives a shit.

I really like Vicky and her writing, but the way she treated a guy for wanting to play a game of cards...and because he's ruthless and wants to play a soft game, is that not what poker is all about, ruthlessly taking someone's money. On one thread Camel is saying how sensible Feldman's bumhunting was, this seem to be what Vicky is accusing this guy of. I'd find it pretty patronising if a sponsored pro wanted to play in the event I was playing in so she coud have a laugh, enjoy stories about fishing trips and compared handbags and earrings.

If you're too scared, timid or embarrassed to venture into a plush Vegas cardroom to sit down n play poker, whatever your sex, maybe u should look for a new hobby

I don't think I ever said Feldman bumhunting was sensible.

I just didn't understand why he was criticised so much for it.

I had no idea the lengths he went to to get the fish heads up.

Just think there's things way more important to get het up about than a bunch of womn who want to play a poker tournament together without having men involved.

I'm not het up about it Keith, but I do think it's worth debating, (as it seems do you)

Vicky seemed pretty het up about it though.

[nirvana]

There are lots of men only things, and lots of women only things.

Some of the men only things are rotten & pernicious.

The women only things are generally part of an honourable tradition of positive discrimination

Men need to just accept these things as reasonable and a just response to centuries of subjugation.

Its obvious really

[RED-DOG]

There are lots of men only things, and lots of women only things.

Some of the men only things are rotten & pernicious.

The women only things are generally part of an honourable tradition of positive discrimination

Men need to just accept these things as reasonable and a just response to centuries of subjugation.

Its obvious really

That's probably the best counter argument I've heard.


Carpark.

[nirvana]

There are lots of men only things, and lots of women only things.

Some of the men only things are rotten & pernicious.

The women only things are generally part of an honourable tradition of positive discrimination

Men need to just accept these things as reasonable and a just response to centuries of subjugation.

Its obvious really

That's probably the best counter argument I've heard.


Carpark.

lol, always mad for a fight :-)

[RED-DOG]

There are lots of men only things, and lots of women only things.

Some of the men only things are rotten & pernicious.

The women only things are generally part of an honourable tradition of positive discrimination

Men need to just accept these things as reasonable and a just response to centuries of subjugation.

Its obvious really

That's probably the best counter argument I've heard.


Carpark.

lol, always mad for a fight :-)

Me too. (Women only obv).

[JaffaCake]

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If you're too scared, timid or embarrassed to venture into a plush Vegas cardroom to sit down n play poker, whatever your sex, maybe u should look for a new hobby

Ironic that you should suggest it's a bad thing then give the perfect example of the attitude which means the Ladies event has a reason to exist.

Not sure that's irony.

How can it be a reason for a women only tournament to exist when, as stated, there's members of both sexes who will be/would have been in days gone past too timid to enter a cardroom?

[JaffaCake]

Agree with Tom, and there are no men only events for women to object to. But what I dislike more is the ridic overreation to a few blokes playing it, so what. Who care, really. The contempt they're treated with, abuse from women and the rail, idiots like Negreanu asking for pics of them to be posted so they can be chastised for their heinous crime, rounds of applause when they bust or take a bad beat, I mean that's not at all classless as well is it?

The amount of people on twitter, like Neagreanu, calling guys out, slagging them off, saying how disgraceful it was, embarrassing, all this shite, really? Is there not more in the world to worry about that whether a load of people sat round playing cards have appendages or not? Who gives a shit.

I really like Vicky and her writing, but the way she treated a guy for wanting to play a game of cards...and because he's ruthless and wants to play a soft game, is that not what poker is all about, ruthlessly taking someone's money. On one thread Camel is saying how sensible Feldman's bumhunting was, this seem to be what Vicky is accusing this guy of. I'd find it pretty patronising if a sponsored pro wanted to play in the event I was playing in so she coud have a laugh, enjoy stories about fishing trips and compared handbags and earrings.

If you're too scared, timid or embarrassed to venture into a plush Vegas cardroom to sit down n play poker, whatever your sex, maybe u should look for a new hobby

I don't think I ever said Feldman bumhunting was sensible.

I just didn't understand why he was criticised so much for it.

I had no idea the lengths he went to to get the fish heads up.

Just think there's things way more important to get het up about than a bunch of womn who want to play a poker tournament together without having men involved.

Agree completely, tho more on the subject as whole. If there's a women only tournament, who cares. If some chancers wanna play it, they're welcome to it, who cares. People saying their blood is boiling and all this....coz a couple of fellas played cards? Would hate to see their reaction if something bad happened

[The Camel]

Agree with Tom, and there are no men only events for women to object to. But what I dislike more is the ridic overreation to a few blokes playing it, so what. Who care, really. The contempt they're treated with, abuse from women and the rail, idiots like Negreanu asking for pics of them to be posted so they can be chastised for their heinous crime, rounds of applause when they bust or take a bad beat, I mean that's not at all classless as well is it?

The amount of people on twitter, like Neagreanu, calling guys out, slagging them off, saying how disgraceful it was, embarrassing, all this shite, really? Is there not more in the world to worry about that whether a load of people sat round playing cards have appendages or not? Who gives a shit.

I really like Vicky and her writing, but the way she treated a guy for wanting to play a game of cards...and because he's ruthless and wants to play a soft game, is that not what poker is all about, ruthlessly taking someone's money. On one thread Camel is saying how sensible Feldman's bumhunting was, this seem to be what Vicky is accusing this guy of. I'd find it pretty patronising if a sponsored pro wanted to play in the event I was playing in so she coud have a laugh, enjoy stories about fishing trips and compared handbags and earrings.

If you're too scared, timid or embarrassed to venture into a plush Vegas cardroom to sit down n play poker, whatever your sex, maybe u should look for a new hobby

I don't think I ever said Feldman bumhunting was sensible.

I just didn't understand why he was criticised so much for it.

I had no idea the lengths he went to to get the fish heads up.

Just think there's things way more important to get het up about than a bunch of womn who want to play a poker tournament together without having men involved.

I'm not het up about it Keith, but I do think it's worth debating, (as it seems do you)

Vicky seemed pretty het up about it though.

I mean het up enough to play the tournament!

[luckyblind]

Agree with Tom, and there are no men only events for women to object to. But what I dislike more is the ridic overreation to a few blokes playing it, so what. Who care, really. The contempt they're treated with, abuse from women and the rail, idiots like Negreanu asking for pics of them to be posted so they can be chastised for their heinous crime, rounds of applause when they bust or take a bad beat, I mean that's not at all classless as well is it?

The amount of people on twitter, like Neagreanu, calling guys out, slagging them off, saying how disgraceful it was, embarrassing, all this shite, really? Is there not more in the world to worry about that whether a load of people sat round playing cards have appendages or not? Who gives a shit.

I really like Vicky and her writing, but the way she treated a guy for wanting to play a game of cards...and because he's ruthless and wants to play a soft game, is that not what poker is all about, ruthlessly taking someone's money. On one thread Camel is saying how sensible Feldman's bumhunting was, this seem to be what Vicky is accusing this guy of. I'd find it pretty patronising if a sponsored pro wanted to play in the event I was playing in so she coud have a laugh, enjoy stories about fishing trips and compared handbags and earrings.

If you're too scared, timid or embarrassed to venture into a plush Vegas cardroom to sit down n play poker, whatever your sex, maybe u should look for a new hobby

I don't think I ever said Feldman bumhunting was sensible.

I just didn't understand why he was criticised so much for it.

I had no idea the lengths he went to to get the fish heads up.

Just think there's things way more important to get het up about than a bunch of womn who want to play a poker tournament together without having men involved.

Agree completely, tho more on the subject as whole. If there's a women only tournament, who cares. If some chancers wanna play it, they're welcome to it, who cares. People saying their blood is boiling and all this....coz a couple of fellas played cards? Would hate to see their reaction if something bad happened

Maybe blood boiling was a bit over the top. I take that bit back, it was more astonishment that some people on here thought it was Ok Anyway perfectly calm and off on holiday soon. I'll chip in with my opinion on something again in a year or so no doubt.

Nirvana wins the thread anyway.

[AndrewT]

There's always something a bit icky about someone who is in a traditional majority group complaining about a piece of inequality they have suffered - it comes across as bleating.

As a straight, white, able-bodied man I would just feel too much like a bully to kick up that much of a fuss about a tiny thing going against one of my areas of traditional power.

And a women-only poker tournament is the smallest single thing I could ever think of.

[luckyblind]

There's always something a bit icky about someone who is in a traditional majority group complaining about a piece of inequality they have suffered - it comes across as bleating.

As a straight, white, able-bodied man I would just feel too much like a bully to kick up that much of a fuss about a tiny thing going against one of my areas of traditional power.

And a women-only poker tournament is the smallest single thing I could ever think of.

Maybe a last minute winner.