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.. Outside a nightclub. Natasha spat on?

Sam just posted on twitter

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/sam-trickett-gets-roughed-up-6-guys-1218433/

Nasty.

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Met same once, real nice guy. Sighs at being beaten up, tbf a kicking from 6 guys could have been much much worse! #EveryCloud

Flick in a private bodyguard imo.

That sucks

inb4 it was feldman jokes

Think it was something started by Natasha and him in the club I just got told. She says it was over "something and nothing". He is a pretty handy puncher but I can't understand where his friends/entourage could be and why there was not a bigger kick off.

If only you were there ;-)

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The 2+2 thread is the most tilting thing I've ever read.

So much jealousy in the world of poker.

Looks like it could have been alot worse, GL in the main event Sam.

I rarely go on there but it seems to always be like that in every thread, after 2 or 3 posts I just close it.

To be fair these things very rarely happen over 'something and nothing'.

I'd guess it's a lot more heavily weighted to 'something' rather than 'nothing'.

If these were just malicious thugs who enjoy dishing out beatings for no reason he'd look a hell of a lot worse.

He looks abso fine from the pics and he'll be fully fixed in a week.

2 + 2 thread is a joke but if you're going to make your life public by putting it on twitter then I'm afraid that's going to happen.

Must admit Sam's girlfriend has a touch of the WAG about her.

Best thing she could do is stop tweting.

U know everything

Lol. Not everything. I have added Natasha on that twitter after she posted about enjoying spending Sam's millions and that was before the one drop. People are always gonna be jealous of Sam as they are jealous of anyone with a little bit of fame. There may have been a bit of "don't you know who I am?" involved here. Matts right about the damage. Looks more like he has been held in a headlock and given a monkey scrub than been punched.
If someone had spat on our lass 100% I am gonna come out looking far worse than that after fighting 6 lads.

Now whose talking !!!

Sorry but I'm not buying most of this.

It obviously didn't start over nothing, and it wasn't because they were jealous of his success as Sam puts it. They both have tried to make out that they were victimised because of his win and that they did nothing wrong but it's pretty obvious that Sam or Nastasha said something to wind these guys up. Both were hammered, and she's renowned for being a bit mouthy and "waggy" so it seems pretty likely that it started as something small and then she mouthed off to them and he took the shit for it. They may not've even known about the 10m, though it seems pretty likely that it would've come up in the mrs' rant which obviously makes the situation worse for them.

Probably an unpopular stance on the whole thing but I don't like the way Sam and gf have reported the whole thing because they've left tiny clues that make it obvious that there's two sides to this story. I also don't like the way generally they appear in the public eye, especially her. I mean he's a bit big time and all his tweets and facebook status' are very braggy, but that's OK, sort of understandable, and maybe I'd be the same, but after a while it's like "yeh we get it Sam, you're getting a helicopter to xyz, you play million dollar pots, you have an incred life". There's nothing really wrong with that at all though, it's kind of inspiring actually in weird way. But the way she goes off on there and especially that rant she put on Feldmans wall and then deleted (/Sam made her delete it) the next day was a joke - she made herself look so dumb.

Just my 2c, shoot me now!

Has anyone called the police?

Fyp

Pretty sure I wouldnt say that about someones girlfriend I hadnt met!

Gonna change his name to ControversialAlex :)

It's ok. Alex has got 5 mates.

He was missing a few of the big guns for a row but should have still been ample people to get the job done. Sams double handy himself

The way Alex is talking my money is on the 6 guys being Team Eureka.

yeh can't u just see it...

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Sam surely could have bought them off with some free buffet vouchers.

Looks like 1v3 in an oncoming tug of war

Evens each of two

My dosh is on Alex being the monkey-scrubber ;)

Has anyone seen Pete Linton and Cos with Des n Troy

Wow someone who else who attended the same school of photography as Tikay

rofl who are the big guns?

Well Pez to start you off...

I'd back Perrins

Was thinking exactly this. Must be a level.

Also how do you know that Sam's double handy? Have you seen him in action before or is it just a guess?

Fwiw my assumption has always been that he could look after himself but I've never seen any evidence.

Kept forgetting Cos and Matt were the white Ali and Tyson!

Lol. Sam has given out a couple of slaps but not sure he has taken one. Obv Pez ain't in Evilpies league but then again neither is Chuck Liddell

I can look after myself but I've never said I was a hard guy. I just think what you said was funny because I can't think of any of the poker lads in Vegas who'd be at all useful in a fight.

I'd take Evilpie vs pretty much any of those lads in Vegas though.

I wasn't suggesting it was some sort of fight club, just like a bad football team their big gun might not be to others. Most poker players are kids who have never been in trouble so I don't doubt a proper "grown up" like Matt could do the business :)

Lolz Dave. I've never claimed to be any kind of scrapper. Was just curious as to whether you actually know these things or if it's guess work.

I'd have guessed that Sam can take care of himself just by the way he comes across. Perrins also has the look but I've never thought of it before it was mentioned ITT.

I just never think of poker players as 'big guns' I suppose.

what i don't get is ......
all that celebrating after the big win

where were all his mates ?  

says a lot imo


ps.. and if it was six of em ... were they all girls ?  . lol

Am pretty sure if  lildave was out drinking with a Brit who just won 10 mill he would wade in if it kicked off. Actually thinking about it Dave may have even started it :)

I've been in 4 fights in my life and all were just drunken brawls over in seconds with minor casualties. I've always talked my way out of anything potentially dangerous so I honestly don't know if I could 'do the business'.

I'm pretty big and I can swing a punch in the right direction but other than that I really don't know.

Just wanted to clear that up. I'm useful in that I kind of look the part so I can diffuse situations but when it comes to the nitty gritty it's anybody's guess.

Very big difference between looking handy and being able/willing to fight!

Fwiw I wouldn't pick on perrins

if he's pissed and leaving a club with his bird no reason why all/any of his mates should be there.

why?

You would not back anyone in Dtd to take on Sinclair, but once that red mist descends I reckon Ronaldo fancies his chances

well in my case. i would of been thanking them for the night and seeing them off into a taxi ,, but that's just me  : )

100% this. I'm personally very capable because I've done quite a lot of training but I'd never be 'willing' in an uncontrolled situation.

Much rather talk my way out of it or just back down.

The only time I've ever felt under pressure was on the bridge outside the casino in Amsterdam.

Had about 10k in my pocket when I was surrounded from nowhere by about 8 lads looking for a scrap.

I near on shit myself.

When this fella showed up:

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He said "alright lads, got a problem?"

And they vanished as quickly as they showed up. :D

I'd take on anyone with HEAT on my team.

I see every man and his dog twitting Jason koon these days. If he was there you can add another 2 in the same way that sam is double handy

really?

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oh you meant why perrins?

definately a "ready to go" kinda chap - and big enough

He had a touch imo.... Not being funny, but if 6 lads  set about him and only did that they must have covered him in pillows first

I'd have prob just kept my nut down if I got a slap and not gone posting about it all over the net. Whenever I got walloped in a scrap I just took some headache tablets in the morning and hoped it had cleared up for next weekend.

i think what all this does bring to the forefront though, is just how wary and street wise all you pro poker players need to be.
no fun on your own late at night getting  aggro no  matter how tough you ' think ' you might be. Like Evil Pie says  always best to talk your way out of a situation if possible.

Pretty sure i ended up worse coming off my bike on monday. 6 guys? lol

Interesting crack about fight potential. Can't imagine half the uk's pros in a scrap

Didnt Sam once hit one of the DTD security guys when he was refused entry once?

Should have taken Barry Neville with him imo.

Someone said he ironed one of them out a long time ago, he looks a lump and that he can have a row.

When he's probably been pouring champagne down his neck all night and can't even see straight my old dear would probably give him a going over tbf.....

K.

I'd say he's likely way above average amongst a poker crowd but amongst the sort of people who are used to tear ups he'd struggle.

Matt's not particularly big ?!

huge +1.

Bazza is like 53 and still wouldn't wanna upset him

fyp I only know coz I'm older than him

Barry is a mate but I once saw 2 little fellas sort out Barry n his big brother

Seen Sam in a few scraps tbf and he can handle himself for sure...that 2+2 thread is cringe to read and not sure I like all this stuff about tash,she's sticking up for her bloke I'd do the same maybe not in the same way but still would.also if I was out with my bloke and another guy spat in my face i would be expecting my bloke to kick off nothing much worse than that IMO.Tash and Sam have been together a long time and she hasn't changed her apearance at all since the first time I saw her in gala notts probably 5 years ago do don't see how she can be trying to act all WAG like all of a sudden when she's always been that way!

Agree that it should have been kept off social network although it had made a good follow up story to today's piece in the sun lol

I bet Dewi could look after himself too.

Add John Exley, Shaun Hayes and a couple of the south coast lads.

Shows how poker has changed, alot of the young kids aren't streetwise at all, whereas plenty of 50+ players I wouldn't want to upset!

that makes it sound like someone spat in her face for no reason.

Spitting at or putting ones hands on a woman is never ok but it could have been through her provocation.

lol what at the bolded bit?

Lol u know what I mean cossy you were around Then or have you forgotten those days already

And it's never ok to spit at people IMO no matter what

Spitting at anyone in pretty much any circumstance is one of the most disgusting and provocative things you can do.

Going to have be pretty extreme situation for it to be close to being an appropriate reaction.

Lol. Miss C has her finger on the pulse. You wanna know something then go ask her. She is the eyes n ears of the Notts scene.  Totally agree with sticking up for the wife. If she needs a slap then that's my job :)

Lol maybe once now I only go by what my trusted informers tell me hehehe

Not at all Fran.

I always got on with Sam and still funk for him. I never really met Natasha but remember her and thinking she must really adore sam because she used to sit the whole evening beside him while he played cash.

I do know that Sam is lairy when he's drunk and judging by the recent Feldman spat I don't see it unlikely that she could be lairy too with Sam alongside.

Apparently Sam was smashed and could barely stand up, him and his Missus left club on own before everyone else

Agree but don't think that excuses the spitting and would be surprised if Sam started it when he was in his own tbf but what do I know I'm normally the lairy one lol

Guys telling you how many blokes attacked them in the street is like guys telling you how big the fish was they caught. You need to divide by 2 and then minus 2 for good measure in order to get somewhere near the truth.

LOL if he was that pissed he might have been seeing treble  ;D

yeah, obv the reported 6 was probs more like 2 or 3

Maybe Tyrian was on the rampage

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Laurence Houghton obv kill anybody amirite?

Yeah forgot to add you to the list of people not to be messed with lol.

I wasn't saying spitting is ever acceptable. It's one of the scummiest things to do but it rarely happens without provocation is all im saying.

In a fist fight?!!?

::)

street fight.

obv not seen the vid :D

this

LOL @ "ironed one of them out".

just a shame I wasnt there.

If u really smashed, I don't think u b able to protect urself , mine protecting ur GF.
Tbf we really don't know what really happened that nite, ISIT Sam or GF that started it or
the 6 accused people . We don't know but I will agreed  to what Alex say ATM .

Anyway gl to all playing in the main event znd hopefully
#TesmChippyman will come to Vegas next year.

Ps... Where's all Sam's friends btw ! CONFUSED

Great post

tbf to Sam, upon entering the club that night his arrival was made a huge fuss off which I genuinely think was not what he wanted/embarrassed him a little. So he wasn't bouncing round the club telling everyone that he just won $10m.  Not saying the incident was totally random/un-provoked either (Ihave no idea)

I never got that feeling about Perrins, then again I'm quite tall and broad shouldered and know I'm soft as shite so never really care about that.

Don't think I've ever met anyone in poker who seems the tinniest bit scary, then again I'm used to police helicopters being around at midnight, that is except Cos and his two mates ofc.

Just one of many dumb posts full of logic fails on a couple of poker fora.  Girlfriend can be mouthy, therefore mouthy girlfriend likely cause.  Fella can occasionally appear braggy on the Internet (don't we all at times?), therefore likely to be braggy to 6/4/2 hoodlums outside a club etc.  love to see you put all this in front of a judge.  

He got hit, nobody has any much idea why.  Cheers

Tbh I don't see the upside of telling the world you've been beaten up.

Some things are best kept off twitter and facebook imo.

tbf, i'm fkn hard.

PM me Sam's number and I'll take care of it from here

going to be a lot of press attention on him over next ten days, seems virtuallly impossible for this story to stay out of the public.

Oh, and @monda : Perrins is pretty fit/strong but also has had a lot of martial arts training, so he's strong, technically good and also he's completely fucking mental (which I believe helps in a "street" situation :)

Defo a good person to have on side in a ruckus, I still maintain though any sort of fighting at any stage almost regardless of the provocation is 100% retarded and actually pretty embarrassing.

Plz don't tell him I said I didn't think he seemed hard :P

I agree that fighting is completely stupid and usually futile.

However, having someone spit in your girlfriends face is not something 99% of people would stand for. (Don't know whether the spitting happened before/during or after the fight in this case.)

I'd have just mowed them down had I been there, or made the quick getaway.... Those scooters are handy bits of kit on the most part

Deffo can't expect anyone to stand for the spitting as everyone said. Vegas is like Jersey shore most nights anyway and there was obv too much ronron juice consumed somehwere along the line

My staking offers.

20% of Evilpie at 1.6
10% of Matt Perrins at 1.3
0.01% of Nirvana at 0.4

Why is it a running theme of the thread that it is a good and important thing to be hard and streetwise? Are we suggesting that us majority of poker players that are not should feel inferior?

The hard guy who takes a few punches, but comes off the best, wakes up better off than the man he beat, but the best off of all the next morning is the man who saw a situation coming, put his head down, and walked away.

(This is of course not a comment at all on what happened, as all we have is speculation, but just on the general tone of the thread.)

I've never had a fight in my life  ;)

Stu,

If someone spat on your girlfriend, would you walk away?

I've had a few good nights in Vegas with Alan Betson & Tony Bolton ,2 guys who are good to have on your side in any awkward situations ;)

Anyway, not sure going out in Vegas and celebrating hard after winning £10m is such a good idea with so many jealous thugs about. The odds of some heavy loser swinging a drunken punch in your direction must go thru the roof. I would want some big friends or security and maybe vip area with no public types. Actually on the first night prob safer to stay in the hotel with champagne and several hookers for a low key private celebration. In fact better give it a week as you can't be too careful.

Doubt it had anything to do with his $10m cash

You'd be surprised how oblivious to poker most people are, even LV residents

Most of the taxi drivers seem to be under the impression that the world series is one 7 week long tournament

I agree, with that much money, i'd hire out a venue OR get  my closest friends and relatives to my huge suite and party all night.  I certainly wouldn't go around the strip celebrating in a nightclub, its bound to piss someone off, not to mention people you barely know coming over to you sucking up to you all night etc- would get really tedious

I would have thought that, but then I noticed that it was all over the LV news sites.

Got shitfaced (as you probably do after winning the world), tripped over and grazed face, realized the press will be all over him in the near future, needed a story to save embarrassment imo. TBH if I had just won $10 mill and gone clubbing I don't think i would be capable of counting up to 6, i struggle when sober.

Yea good point Rich

Hmmmmm unlikely.

More lad points for saying you were pissed n fell, than saying you got beat up.

Looking at the couple of little grazes on his face, I'm thinking it's more likely his bird slapped him in a drunken row over her Feldman tweets. No lad points for that.

Too many idealists itt imo.

Disagree with throwing a punch first/starting trouble, but nothing wrong with standing your ground.

I would attribute a lot of it to things such as your upbringing. I was taught from an early age if anyone hits you to hit them back twice as hard and being one of 6 white kids in a class of 30 I got a lot of shit, if i resorted to walking away I would have been a walking punching bag.

Would much rather wake up with a few cuts and grazes getting stuck in than wake up with the feeling of guilt knowing I let a few scoundrels completely mug me off. 

Yeah. Spot on there Caroline. I remember one time I tried to put Catherine in her place and she bust two of my ribs. Try getting some sympathy when as a fella you go to A & E and tell reception you have been a victim of domestic violence.

Gtfo all you Ned Flanders walk away  idealist types. Some times something comes along worth fighting for or at least making the villan back down and walk away.

Agree with that pretty much

Ive never thrown the first punch, Ive never not thrown the second twice as hard  (except the time I got mugged ldo)

Okily Dokily :)

Easy to say when your twice the size of most of us, I'm a chicken lol  ;D

I'm definitely no fighter, but if it's going to happen, fuck waiting for the other bloke to hit you.

First punch is usually best and often decisive.

Sighs, not quite 32stone yet Woodsey.  ;) Wasn't always big tbf, stuck up for myself vs kids round about my own age/size but didn't stop me getting mugged a few times  [  ] sure put up a fight then. #Knivesarescary.

Guys walking around with broken noses from situations that could have been resolved without violence. RED-THUG

Nah! I'm a past master at avoiding shit. I'm talking about those situations where you know it's going to happen.


Anyway, aren't you the bloke who threatens to punch people on sight because you mistakenly thought they might have made a joke about your Mrs?  ::)

Where is the going back in my box emoticon?  ;oopsy;

fwiw I never actually said them words but it was certainly imlpied and I apologised like an adult as I was in the wrong. Defending your partner's honour is a whole different ball game imo.

Haha! Just Joking Milly.

Please don't hit me    ;hide;

haha, quality. One thing my dad taught me is never hit women or the elderly. You are safe my friend.

Close protection Sam, you are worth enough now to interest all kinds of low lifes, and walking around unprotected is going to lead to further incidents, sad that the world forces the succesful to take these steps, but clearly you need it.

Yeah this does worry me. Can't see it being long before these crims that target pro footy players turn their attention to young pro poker players. In these sort of incidents the police are next to helpless and it certainly pays to know the right people

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdRkROgBg34
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No.

I feel that there is a strong argument that if a man wants to go through life without getting into a single fight against a stranger, he almost definitely can, and that this is his best choice.

However, this is only "almost definite," because of the one specific situation where it is no longer right to believe that it's better to take the idiot's insult, and avoid his injury, by walking away. That is of course the situation you're talking about, where the insult is directed at your girl, and the insult in this case was the most disgusting possible.

I guess to get much further, we would have to speculate on the order of events, and we don't know what that is.  Let's take one hypothetical scenario, however, that a girl friend had run her tongue against potential thugs enough for them to spit at her. I would of course stand up for her, knowing it was probably going to be fruitless, but that my beating was likely not much worse than her ordeal. And then ask her very strongly to realise next time the situation it puts a man in.

Agree with your point, there definitely are spots where you just have to stand your ground.

However, I think there is a big difference between spots with a group of people you know and see every day, and the kind of spots that happen on nights out. They're either against the kind of person who thinks that accidentally bumping into them is worth a drunken beating, or the kind who will deliberately create this kind of situation, specifically to get into a fight. Against them, the tactic of "head down, they're not worth it" is the only one sure to defeat them.

On a rare occasion, it's more than a few cuts and grazes, and on an incredibly rare occasion, the guy who stood his ground does not wake up the next day. I would argue that when a situation begins, there is often no way of being 100% sure that it cannot be those rare occasions.

/thread

You don't want to look back in 5 years time and reflect on the fact that a few plebs had a significant influence on how your life unfolded.  They've already had a couple of minutes of your life, that's more than they deserve already, move on.  If you are able to retain any kind of control, walking is still the best option.  Whether you got mugged off or not doesn't really matter when you look back on it.  Sometimes you get a "Prescott moment" where you lash out ~ last happened to me aged 18 and I will be happy if it never happens again.  Otherwise, winning all fights by at least 100 yards is always the best route.

Also appreciated if one's g/f learns to zip it at the right moment.

the would you fight if your gf got her face spat on argument is so ridic as 99.9% of ours gf's wouldn't be in that situ at the time.

massively this

You make some very good points and I completely understand where you are coming from, your last point is hugely valid and I don't think enough people take this into account imo, I happen to know someone who did wake up with more than a few cuts and bruises, the main thing is he woke up but he is still in a wheelchair, all because he said "nice hat" to a man wearing a pink cowboy hat who then punched him in the face.

From my own experience not every situation is as black and white as you are making out, the type of person intent on causing you harm for no reason will not just let you walk away without some sort of altercation, more likely to give you a few digs, kick at you etc. Walking away is obv the 'ideal' solution but i don't think its always as simple as that. Does nobody else feel kind of guilty that they are just making someone else have to deal with this particular person instead?

I told Tony this story a while ago, I wouldn't normally have told anyone else but this thread, and Stu's post in particular has prompted me.

I always take the "Don't fight if you don't have to" stance. It proves nothing and could easily get you crippled, killed, or see you doing time for killing someone else.

It's not really about bravery, it's about common sense. If you keep getting in to fights, sooner or later you're going to bang your head on a curb, or some little shit is going to stick a knife in you. So. If at all possible, walk away. Just walk away.

But walking away isn't always easy, and it certainly isn't pain free. Sometimes the hurt to your pride or your self esteem lingers far far longer than a few cuts and bruises would have.

You can't be sure it will stop at cuts and bruises though. Men don't fight like they did back in the day, when it was fists only and your mates watched fair play until one of you gave 'best', at which point you stopped fighting and shook hands.

So. To sum up, I know it makes sense to avoid fighting. I hate confrontation, and I'm a bit of a coward. I virtually always  turn the other cheek, but sometimes, when something has been really unjust, I've hated myself for ages afterwards.

Anyway. I was out on my bike riding along a lonely stretch of road between the villages of Stony Stanton and Barwell when I saw two youths walking along the pavement ahead of me. One was of medium build, one was quite big.

 I just knew that these two were going to do or say something intimidating. I could tell by their body language, by the smirks of their faces, and by the fact that they both made full eye contact. Sometimes, you just know.

Except for my initial glance, I didn't look at them again and I made a point if giving them a wide berth as I rode past. Still, one of then stepped into the road, forcing me to pass even wider and as I drew level he shouted "Why don't you get a fucking car?".

Of course I did the sensible thing and rode on. Yes, I was annoyed, but that would fade in a few minutes. They hadn't hurt me, they hadn't even inconvenienced me much. The indecent certainly wasn't worth arguing about.

Strangely though, my annoyance didn't subside. The further I rode. the angrier I got. Who the fuck were they to intimidate a complete stranger for no reason?  They didn't get a good look at me, I had my hat pulled down and my collar up. For all they know, I could have been a pensioner, or a soldier who had fought for his country before becoming too old and frail  to stand up for himself.

After riding on for about a mile or so, I was absolutely fuming. These to youths seemed to have become the embodiment of all the times I've been shit upon, but swallowed my pride and walked away because it was the sensible thing to do.

A sort of cold determination came over me. I wasn't going to let this one go. I turned my bike around and started riding back.

Eventually I saw them in the distance, and they saw me coming, I could see them talking and pointing. My heart was going like a trip hammer. I knew what I was doing was really foolish, but I couldn't help myself.

I knew I had to go for the big one first. I might get a kicking, but my God I was going to leave my mark on him. He would be remembering this day for a long time which ever way the cookie crumbled.

I threw my bike down, ran up,  grabbed his shirt front, stuck my face into his and shouted "Who the fuck do you think you're swearing at? Cu*t!  

At this point, his mate retreated about 20 yards. Normally I would have been glad to see his mate leg it, but I was just so raging mad that I didn't care.

The one I had grabbed had gone completely limp and was hanging is my hands like a wet rag. "No, you've got it wrong, I wasn't swearing at you, honest...

He was so pathetic that all the anger went out of me. I picked up my bike and rode away.

Had I been right to go back? No. Of course not. It was really foolish and completely out of character.

Still. maybe those youths will think twice the next time. So perhaps it's a good thing that normally meek people act out of character occasionally.  

 

Said it once and I'll say it again RED-THUG..  :D


Thanks for sharing Tom, I imagine you didn't find that easy. Obv there was no need to get involved but you can gurantee they will think twice about doing it again. Eveyone has a breaking point. #CommunityHero

Don't fk with the dawg, especially when he's turned from red to green  :D

Silly dog, but I'm glad you did it.

Evil triumphs while good men do nothing and all that

I so get this post. Sometimes right doesn't come into it though and emotions take over leaving yourself wide open for whatever outcome.

When my house was burgled while my family and I were asleep my first thoughts were why didn't I wake up and protect my family. As the type of person who prided himself on that fact that I would do anything to protect my family, this burned deep inside for weeks. I accept it now that it was for the better.

Incred story and balance. I bet there is a reputation now among a few young people of the town for "that guy with the moustache, who lets you think you have won, because he's coming back to get you." Watch out for him, he often rides a bike, and seems to really not like cars.

I still think that the right mantra is general is to let them think they have won, continue their pathetic lives, and be safe in yours, as of course you do.

As you say, the rules of fighting have changed to be more dangerous, and for this reason more people will over time lean towards this stance. This is even more the case when the kind of person who implies they might be carrying a weapon tells you to give them your wallet. Is it the right thing in this case to let them "win?" Of course it is. However, over time it brings a problem, and because it remains the right thing for each individual to do, it's one that society might need alot more help with.

As an aside, quite funny and warming to see how our thread started compared to the 2p2 thread, expressed concern and support for Sam compared to the 2p2 thread, and where it has randomly developed now, compared to the 2p2 thread.

Links to 2+2 thread please. That site does my nut in

I played a lot of rugby, and whilst not a fighter, or being particularly handy myself, the only real fight situations i got into were because i saw someone do something that was a) sneaky b) on someone a lot smaller than them.

We were 70-0 up on some C team one of the large private schools joke trolled us with, and the game was about to be abandoned any second. One of my mates gets tackled in the corner and as play moves on, i see a guy lash out at his leg, at this point everyone is just waiting for the whistle, and it was really really dirty. I picked him up and I'm sure i saw him shit a break after my tirade of swear words. A similar situation, 20-0ish down to a good school and we're in the last 5 minutes. Our first team had some 16 year old's who hadn't really matured yet. Our skinny hooker at 5"8 and 10 stone, got punched by a guy who was 13 stone and 6"3. I think this is the only incident where i through a clear punch, although unlike some of my teammates, fights weren't a source of pride.

Very admirable to go back and stand up to them, whilst you may not be proud, on rare occasion it just has to be done.

the instinct to fight is one of the most prevalent and primal of all human instincts, everyone loses their temper once in a while its completely stnd.

However, if you wanna be someone different in the world, then you there are skills you need and composure and temperament is one of the biggest imo. most stnd people get angry and lash, but the cleverer people in the world can refrain and handle situations better.

Someone spits in your girlfriends face and you take a beating of a few guys because it's better than feeling "mugged off" is totally stupid, the best play in this spot is 100% to grab your girlfriend, wipe the spit from her face make sure she is ok and gtfo of the area pronto, as natural as it is the feeling of "I need to prove to the world/these worthless scumbags who spit in peoples faces that I'm no mug" is the sort of negative freeroll my life can live without tyvm, like stu says who knows if this time will be that 0.01% of times that something terrible happens.

Im going to go to bed and wake up safe in the knowledge that im 45x the person that c*nt is because I dont go around spitting in people's faces, his life is likely to be terrible and mine is actually pretty awesome so I think I'll just keep my skin/bones/organs in one piece and leave him to his horrific behavior.

You can all call me a coward but im 475 times less likely to die in a bar fight than most people.

I just got in actually and nearly got into a fight tonight by myself at PH, I smoothed the situation down and 3 minutes later the guy was helping me look for my shoes, which I somehow lost.

LIL D

didnt you swing an ashtray at someone?  :P

(but i know what you mean)

Wow, thread gets ten pages coz the guy has got a few scratches after getting into a ruck when drunk. If six guys really only managed to do that to him then I can only assume Grumpy was holding the coats.

Sticking it all over social media sites is just daft too.

self defence is a completely different thing. Never said I was perfect either, in thaat scenario though I was legitimately terrified and

You just saying this is the correct thing to do doesn't in fact make it so, of course nobody wants to get hurt but if someone spits in your gf's face and all you do is wipe her face and take her away I would be utterly ashamed with myself and feel like the biggest coward imaginable. You are not trying to prove something to the world, you are simply doing what is right in that particular situation. No matter how many there are/who it is, you usher your partner to the side or say wait outside or whatever, head down and go in blazing. Do you take the same line if it is one person/a kid/another woman who spat? You genuinely think this is how you would react in this situation?

There is a chance your taxi/aeroplane could crash, your next hooker could pull a knife from her purse, we can't live our entire lives fearing the worst hoping to never be on the receiving end of any sort of pain.

+1 to gl walking away in the moment, not on a forum.

Also, gl with the sympathy blowjobs.

Lol too good.

Dave good luck walking away from a fight when the time comes. It just won't happen because you are gonna wade in for your mates or loved ones

I have, and will again, walk away in those spots.

you're right we never know what will happen our plane might crash, taxi might explode etc, however if you never take a taxi or fly they will never happen.

Sometimes flying or taking a taxi is the only option.

imo if you ever have a spot where there is only one option, then you have made a mistake.

walk away, pussssssssssyboi

famous words from whom?

I would have no problem walking away in this scenario v 6 guys when its clear your going to take a beating. Saying safe v loss of a bit of pride its not even a close decision either.

when i was younger i got myself into a few scrapes but could handle myself, the only time i turned violent without getting hit first is when a man or group of men insulted a lady in my company. i could take as much verbal as they wanted to give to me and i wouldnt bat an eyelid but no-one to this day will insult a lady in my company and get away with it without an apoligy

I had an inadvertent role in inducing that fight as well sigh. <3 Riverman, a great guy to have on side should any sort of ruckus develop.

Finally Woodsey some sense ITT

i remember one time i kicked the cat when the  2c hit the fkin river

nah just make sure that 3 of them end up in hospital with you and one of them has to be the ring leader

Well out of order, but I actually have heard a million things about his missus and how she can't keep her mouth shut.

Welcome to blonde.

I think this is a jump too far

1) Back home, the most famous poker player would still be recognised less than someone who sits on the bench
for Stoke City.
2) This is not changing particularly, it will always be the case
3) This is even the case in Vegas, it's surprising how little players are recognised.
4) If someone did make a rude remark, the poker player should let their pride and self-esteem depend on something else other than their response to this man.
5) If they find that difficult, then they can take their pride from the fact that they have made it in life more than Ryan Shawcross

Cheers mate. Couldn't find a relevant thread to post in with my intros, so I thought I'd jump straight in.

A bench warmer for Stoke probably earns more than 99.9% of poker players.

True, and even when Stoke City drop a couple of divisions to where their football belongs, it will still be 99.8%

Awful news and gl Sam.

Reading this thread took me back a few years when I was on the fringes of the "wrong" crowd. One night I was with the recognised "hardest" having a drink when a few no names seeing there were only two of us decided to try and start. My "mate" just walked away leaving me standing there thinking "wtf". They left me alone and carried on drinking when my "mate" walked back in and unloaded a sawn off into the ceiling above them!!

MasterCard could not cover the worth of the look on their faces - or wipe my a***!!

He got 18 months for that one lol!

How very dare you  ;D

In my teens (70's) we, Stoke City had a great side. Banksy in Goal, Smith at the back, Greenhoff up front. I think given the finances Mr.Pulis has worked miracles, but as a supporter it's frustrating to see them passing it nicely one week then hoofing it up the next. I fear unless we add to the squad this season we will indeed struggle.

Come on the Potters.

Yes still 99.8%  :D

:) Yeah, my choice of team for my argument was simply a joke aimed at a friend!

I definitely agree that Stoke play some nice football at least half the time. It means that their reputation as hoof it long and try to win a throw so that Delap can find the big ugly striker, whilst the rest of the team get ready to kick the opposition's dribbler, is basically nonsense, but football pundits work on these kind of cliches.

That was indeed a cracking team, known as "dads army" and players of lovely football, I was a huge Greenhoff fan.

Today's team of discus throwers and leg-breakers(not that kind of player, we know) managed by the goblin pubis not so much...

A few years ago I went away for the weekend. When I returned home on the Sunday evening I found a strange car on my drive. As I contemplated who's car this was two guys came walking out the front door carrying my plasma tv, closely followed by another guy holding my gf jewellery box. If we agree violence should only be applied in extreme situations then the walking away option has already expired when an extreme situation arrives.

People are just like any other animal in so much as instincts tell us fighting is best avoided because any injury could be fatal. But anyone can be thrust into an extreme situation through no fault of their own where violence will be the only answer. I know from Discovery that with male lions it tends to be when another rogue male tries to muscle in on the harem of females, and that is fair enough imo. The lion does not want to fight but that critical moment has arrived. It arrived for me when I stumbled on that burglary. And it arrived for Red when he realised he didn't want to be intimidated. If you let some guy spit at your gf face she will be sickened by the thought of ever having sex with you again, so I think it qualifies as a genuine critical moment. It is not effective to apply logic to primal critical moments.

Btw great story Red. I love so much you turned back after cycling for one mile, lol.

Herbie probably knows about the stoke Naughty40 what with his CP company buddys :)

Lol them were days gone by. Some good some bad, and most of us 40 something's think we have become all trendy again with this 80's casual thing and the stone roses back. Truth is I just got in a play fight with our lass in the kitchen and had to give best as I ran out of gas after 30 seconds :)

Bet she wishes you usually lasted that long

You would think so but she shot me down in flames once again this afternoon.
"you know that 3 seconds before you finish. Well if you could shag like that for half an hour I might actually get something out of it"  :(

I'd love to see Lil Dave in a fight, I bet he's like Scrappy Doo

Unless there is a good chance of death(0.25%?), gotta go mental. No guts, no glory!

Only fight situation like this was 9 army guys to me and 3 friends, talked our way out of it somehow. Northern army lads vs private school chumps, not fun.