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A weird spot yesterday in the Newcastle GPS.

MP opens to 2k (400/800 I believe), button Mondatoo flats, I flat  Ad 3d from the sb.
bb jams for 11k total. I believe he's jamming fairly wide here, he told me that if I folded he would have folded, which for some reason I believed.

MP folds, Mondatoo tanks playing about 45k I believe (I've got about 90k in this spot).
He tanks, explains the maths, thinks he's getting the right odds and flats. Don't think he expects me to make any action here as I'm peeling with a fairly wide range from the smalll blind.
Following this tank I feel like I'm well ahead of his range, shouldn't be something like A10+ as we both know he's 3bet jamming this spot relatively light.

I feel like a jam here from the sb gets through a lot of the time vs mondatoo after the speech, probs flipping or 55/45 vs the big blind who jammed.

+EV to jam here? let it go since it's so marginal? Thoughts please :)

fold the first time and then the second time

Crazy talk itt!

3bet squeeze pre imo. Fold if not. Unless opener has 100bbs as well then meh. Still prefer 3bet to peel.

Now, release your cards.

Fold pre if not? Or fold in this scenario that I've now confused myself with?

Yeh was saying that unless opener is really deep too then just open fold pre or 3bet. Dislike peeling from the sb. Ok to flat the btn imo.

But yeh, as played fold to the jam

yeah makes sense should just find the fold button pre.

Think the first question you've got to ask yourself is what Mondatoo thinks your range is. I don't know him personally but from what I've heard he's pretty good.

Assume hes got a hand; KQ / 66 / 77 / 88. Also assume this is his first of two bullets. Do you think hes folding these?

Yeah he's good, he seemed like his call was really marginal, tbh it felt like 22-55, then maybe J10s-KQos as well as A10-

I feel like this polarizes my range to 55-88, as well as A10+. Honestly believe I'm repping much stronger hands than what I have in this spot

I agree with you repping much stronger, and if you really feel this then a jam is good (Only because of our stack size). Also never hurts to advertise having a bit of a wild image.

In his eye ;)

Out of interest what did they have? Or are we saving the reveal until a later date? :)

can reveal now, mondatoo  Qc Jc
big blind found  7h 7s! WAL

Big blind in having a hand shock

he was pretty aggro, had been talking about re-entering the following day so may not have valued his tourney life as much as expected.
But yeah, should have given him more cred than I did do

Fun hand :)

AK hand was semi interesting also.

yeah, posted it on the blog (self promo ftw)
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=60465.45
Think the stack sizes/raises are about right?

AK hand sounded like a good disciplined fold vs Umar

Considering you have to call the jam if Mond guy hadn't flatted I think it's safe to say shoving over his flat is fine, he would probably jam himself with the mid pairs, I think his range is extremely narrow here to exactly what he has and maybe a couple other broadways.

ps guys you can't "peel" pre flop :D

I'd never thought about that haha I always used peel for both pre and post, but yeh sort of see what you mean lol

Why can't you "peel" a flop though!?

It was vs me.

Well I only ever see the term used to see one more card, not 3. If you were to use it as a pre flop term you'd have to be closing the action.

Agreed.

I'm pretty sure Ray can have AJ/AQ/TT here, and wont fold any of them to your jam I dnt think.

I can definitely have it here as opener was really tight so good spot to flat, not sure I'm Romanelloesque enough to get the speech out though  ;D

Why would you flat AJ?


Sorry didn't really get to chat Ray, was all over the hop in the breaks. Obv managed to win a seat in the flip sat, so back tomorrow (and saturday)

Yeh seems massively optimistic for ray to get the speech out with a big hand to induce Jon to reshove behind!

Speech genuine 99% imo.

The bb crushes us though a lot despite what he says

Not specifically AJ just mean I would sometimes flat a big hand in this spot. Nps obv, hopefully see you Sat, nice life binking that flip lol.

BB just lost a big pot, I had only just sat down during that hand, Jon can say much better than me but it seemed like a pretty speculative river call at best, next hand he jammed utg and seemed pretty genuine when he said he wanted to go on the drink.

Some might know him on here, was from dat London, got offered 10% of the guy that won the PCA, wanted it but was short on Stars and couldn't deposit abroad, gg 140k, fuk his life, ouch.

As played seems like an easy jam, mondatoo just gave you 11k in overlay with his chat. Calling the first time round is pretty close I think but probably fine.

Monda was obv hammered!

Haha, definitely a mistake opening my mouth, for a change.

lol Monda, I expect reduced mark-up next time I buy a piece for said speech ;djinn;

Also...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect

Yeah feel like this is the case
Should be focused more on the bb's hand rather than having the mentality of "well if I jam and Ray folds, I win"

too much talking in multi-way pots here.

Yeah we've established that, just as I insta realised after I did it that I'd made a mistake. Didn't really want to pile 50bbs in though because of it and as Jon was peeling pretty wide it seemed fine to still call as even though I knew he knew I was very likely to be genuinely in a marginal spot I thought he'd just chalk this up as one to let go a lot of the time.

can just hear monda now, slurring his words

"i know ya full a shit man oh shit diiint eeen realise youse still in tha pot like sorry man. alreet screw it i cawl"