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Dusk Till Dawn Partner with FIDPA

Dusk Till Dawn is pleased to announce their official partnership with FIDPA, the Federation Internationale De Poker Association.

Dusk Till Dawn will use FIDPA’s International Poker Rules for all of its poker events including the inaugural ISPT held at Wembley Stadium on May 31st 2013.

The International Poker Rules are the brainchild of Dutch professional poker player, Marcel Luske, who has spent the last two years consulting experienced poker players, tournament directors and staff from around the globe. The result is a concise, clear and detailed set of poker rules that can be adopted internationally by poker venues and event organisers. The goal is to ensure poker is played under a consistent set of rules regardless of the tournament, venue or country, something that poker players around the world have been requesting for some time.

Simon Trumper, ex professional poker player and now Live Poker Director at Dusk Till Dawn, believes this is a step in the right direction for the poker industry. “I have never spoken to a single poker player that didn’t want a uniform set of poker rules wherever they play. As part of
the process, FIDPA has consulted some very experienced poker minds, the vast majority of individuals involved in creating The International Poker Rules are well respected poker players with extensive knowledge of the game, between them all I would expect almost all poker
situations and rulings to have been covered.”

Dusk Till Dawn joins other high profile poker venues such as The Bellagio Las Vegas and Holland Casino Amsterdam in adopting The International Poker Rules. Please see www.fidpa.com for further information and endorsements from high profile players and tournament organisers from around the world.

http://www.marcelluske.com/index.php?b=Player+Letter

Marcel Luske talks about FIDPA and its role going forward



the rules themselves can be found at http://fidpa.com/

Chances of rule 11 being enforced are pretty much zero. Hope it is though.

Rule 11 is a joke would cause outrage, can see the rules have been set by a over 50 guy.

I kid I kid.

What is rule 11?

No mobile phone on the table . If u use it, u get penalty !!

Ha figured out how to read rules, wow that is a huge step backwards. Tournament organisers were trending the other way, i would hope this is something we could ask DTD/Simon to look at before implementation?

If i couldn't use my i-pad i don't think I'd ever play live poker again, I'd be bored shitless, I'd rather just stay in bed for a kip!

not only no devices, but it has to be switched off

Yeah pretty ridiculous to be honest...its not like it 1999 and with so many hybrid devises just a nightmare to enforce - how they know my ipad is 3g enabled lol.  Its ludicrous - saying you cant have a phone switched on even is a joke, some people need to take calls etc even if its away from table etc, children, business, relatives.  Absolutely stupid

Not a fan of this at all.  If Im reading it correctly, it means there is no "last man standing rule" and the winner of the pot must show.  If 1st to showdown mucks and you are the only player left in the pot, I dont think you should have to show at all.  If you HAVE to show then I think 1st to showdown should be forced to show and be completely unable to muck (which I think is a bad idea but is fair).

I also think its ridiculous that OOP has to showdown 1st if there is no action on the river completely disregarding action on previous betting rounds.  Can anyone tell me how this makes sense as opposed to last aggressor in the entirety of the hand having to showdown 1st even if there are no aggressive actions?

2 years?

Relax guys. Simon will respond, as I understand it we have opted out of 5 or so of the FIDPA rules, these are the rules that DTD would like to see changed. Simon can be more specific in his reply. FIDPA (headed up by my close friend Marcel Luske CEO) has brought together a number of people and organisations to work towards an agreed common set of rules across the world, we 100% buy into this idea, but there are further stages to work through to find a common ground, our stance will always be for the player, so clearly we would never adopt Rule 11 (this drove me mad at the EPT to have to keep my phone/ipad below the table, and also drove the dealers mad as no players were paying attention to antes/blinds etc). Sorry, this should have been explained beforehand. To make this 'common rule' thing work we have all signed up to the concept/idea (DTD/Bellagio/Holland Casino etc) - this is stage 1, but we expect rules to be refined over next 12 months as more partners join FIDPA and Marcel initiates more discussion. Simon represents DTD on the FIDPA rules panel. ISPT Wembley will use the FIDPA rules apart from the 5 or so rules that we have opted out of, which as part of the Gambling Comission rules, will be clearly displayed and available to players at the ISPT.

Cheers Rob

Isnt the whole point that its one set of rules, its not really partnering if you change 5 rules, its just a "DTD have new rules"

Agree Marcel v nice guy and great ambassador though.

Another point here is that poker really does need to start working with companies outside the industry to broaden the appeal to a wider audience and new players. Sponsors will not be interested in a business that does not have a common set of rules - so its great for the game to have an international framework in play and gaining adoption in different countries.

Its probably a good thing to subscribe to a single governing body and have a defined set of rules with the ability to opt out of some. A bit like the European Union.

Err...no...wait... :$

Can't help but note the irony that they're promoting a mobile app so you can consult the rules on your phone :D

Also rule 12.8 seems to contradict many of the rules under section 11.



Unless they don't realise an iPad is a communications device. 

#tapin #wp

Hi All

Thanks for your feedback, these rules take some reading :)

I was asked to make suggestions, after also consulting Danny / Darrren a total of 21 recommendations were made, 7 were left the same and 14 were edited / deleted resulting in the final version you see.

The idea is that rather than all card rooms / casinos having their own version of rules that can vary wildly we all adopt the International Rules but with the option to display local modifications, there are 81 rules, now some changes have been made i am happy for us to use them but there will be at least 6 that we will ignore / modify eg deduction of chips from starting stacks which we don't do.

At least if every operator agreed to abide by the majority of these rules in principal it would be a lot easier for players that travel to several venues across Europe / around the world each year.

Points that have been made on forums like this will help the panel of advisors going forward to update and modernise the rules in keeping with todays game.

Cheers

ACES

I don't intend to slate the work being done here but a 'uniform set of rules' is a long long way down my list of priorities when it comes to travelling around the world playing poker tournaments.

The only things that tend to differ are last aggresor/left of button, whether a player has to be in his seat for first or last seat before his hand is dead. It really doesn't bother me which rules are in play tbh.

The only thing that grates me is silly phone rules, recently at the GPS i was moved twice to the 'feature' table and for some reason i suddenly wasn't allowed to use my phone which seems ridiculous.

I've played at DTD a fair few times before and never had a problem with any rule you or the team use Simon, nor have i heard of any stories of 'odd rules' DTD use so i don't quite understand why you want to change them?

I hate it when I call someone and he insta-mucks, thereby depriving me of the information I've paid for.

Meanwhile, I have to show him my hand to win the pot.

I'm always just so happy i was right :)

I agree, they were enforcing this at the GPS, it just doesn't make sense.  So you call pre in the SB and c/c two decent size bets on the flop and turn. You check the river and the aggressor thinks better of it and decides not the fire the third barrel and checks behind, now YOU have to show first as you are left of the dealer button, its ridic!!

Yeah, the worst thing about this at GPS is that they changed it to this rule in season 2 from season 1 so someone must have actually suggested the change and everyone agreed to it.

Odd when i was playing i checked a few times and as last aggressor showed first. Quite a bit of inconsistency in that tournament though.

This.

Only rule at DTD i would change.

And last aggressor should show first not left of the button imo

Last aggressor should be showing first irrespective of which street the last aggression came from.

Rule 11 is obviously daft. I can't believe that actually made it in there. I wouldn't blame anyone for getting up to it and thinking "wtf is this?" and dismissing the whole thing.

I don't like the showdown rule either.

I do think it is a good idea in principle. I'm also not totally against having local variations. That said, with the exception of rules that may have legal reasons I'm not sure why some local variations should exist. e.g. the phones rule and showdown rule should just be correct in the first place so venues don't have to alter them.

Surely we have poker rules with local variation atm?

these rules are "just another set of rules" if you allow variation, and certainly dont standardise across the industry, which I believe was their intention

Here is what a showdown rule should look like :)

Showdown
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At showdown a player may show his hand to claim the pot or fold his hand and forfeit a claim to the pot. If a player elects to fold then his hand is dead.

Showdown is done in turn in a clockwise direction starting with the last person to perform aggressive action during the hand.

If at showdown there is only one player left with a live hand then they do not have to show their cards to claim the pot as they win it by virtue of being the last player standing.

Players may not request to see a folded hand. Players may however request for the floor to look at a folded hand if they believe there is a reason to do so.

personally, I'd love to see rule 11 enforced :)
 ;ifm;