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So 52 players come back for a 3pm start

Here is the list of remaining runers and riders

Recognise anyone?  8)

Heid and hopefully Dingdell will be on duty from 2.30pm onwards

It will be another long day for them


Overnight Chip counts:

Table 3
Mike Magee 43,300
Stephen Lennon 11,700
Lionel Flaum 26,100
Ronnie Deboloux 50,600
Robert Cooper 41,500
P Iacovou 31,100
Dave Ruddling 64,400
Kevin Twigg 26,900


Table 4

Mohammed Kazi 70,300
Leon Kosti 6,600
Paul Leckey 24,100
D Clark 21,700
Neil Channing 15,200
Lesley McLean 28,800
Froda Gjesdel 36,100
Pears Whyman 25,100
Chandra Khajuria 19,800

Table 5

John Atkin 34,200
S Casey 42,500
Chris Bjorin 55,000
Matt Tyler 9,400 (b4Matt)
Mick McCloskey 14,900
Alli Mallu 36,100
P Fox 9,600
D Makawana 5,800

Table 7

Jeff Rogers 33,400
Steve Bovis 26,400
Brian Mullan 19,200
Richard Prew 35,500
P Moyce 9,700
Ian Foster 17,800 (the sheep)
S Constantinou 18,400

Table 8

S Xanthios 24,500
Bhuphinda Kholi 25,000
J McBride 48,100
Sergio Capel 45,500
Ariel Adda 24,200
Lallit Khajuria 24,100
R Nystad 47,500
Nieve Peters 5,900

Table 9

M Mehrban 24,600
D Williamson 19,500
Phil Peters 53,000
Paul Zimbler 46,7000
Paul Vicary 15,000
D Jolowicz 21,200
Paul Parker 27,700
Richard Rudling-Smith 10,700
Erik "not gus" Hansen 27,200

 
 

Good luck today mr end.
WTF are you doing up already, you should've got more sleep than that. I'm off out soon and expect you to still be in when I get back.
My ones to watch based on yesterday's play,

Mohammed Kazi. Played consistantly well through the evening, always chipped up

Alli allu, top tip from most of the card room

Paul Zimbler,  seems to win any all in situation he's involved in

and the one and only mrs Bambos. She's on great form at the moment and looked very comfortable towards the end of yesterday's play, don't be surprised to see her pick up another good result today.

Goodluck Mr End , will be watching the live update and rooting for you  :)up :)up

Good luck TightEnd, realy hoping you pull this one off.

 ;iagree; go for it Mr End  :)up

Go go go  Your Royal Tightness......



love from the B****
xxxxxxx

Good Luck to you all that are left in today..Unfortunatley I won't be able to tinternet Railbird, have to go to Hossy.. but will catch up when i get home tonight..xxxxxx

Good luck Richard!!

OK we are here, set up and raring to go

I have been joined all the way from sunny Kent by Poppet 7, ruthless1 and skippyskip to give me some company

the atmosphere is building, the nerves are quivering and Mr End is in the toilets locked away geting ready for battle

and here comes Ian At-It Bradley, resplendent in Poker 425 gear, on route to fame and fortune as TV Interviewer extraordinaire


back soon!

Prize money

£49000 1st
£26700 2nd
£16800 3rd
£11200 4th
£8400 5th
£6300 6th
£4900 7th
£4200 8th
£3500 9th
£1000 each 10th to 18th

Ooooooooooooo Lucky you Heid!

"when you're in love with A beautiful woman, its hard"

classic line there from Dr Hook


talk amongst yourselves for a minute

my breakfast has arrived

I particularly like the bacon here

though why the full english breakfast comes with chips I am not sure


still, they go down a treat

Good luck Tighty and can you give a good luck message to Big Kev (Twigg)

"baby you can ride my car" now on the sound system


twiddling thumbs

beep beep beep beep yeah!

Hiyas Heid here!

Breakfast is finished... Mr End has relinquished keyboard .... players are taking their seats...

Should be quiet for a while... But I'll get Poppet on the keyboard, and start looking around t see what is going on.

Hi Heid, did you get much sleep?

Wish Tighty good luck for me

Yeah, me too, good luck Tighty.

Hiyas :)

Blinds are 600/1200....

Got some pics....

P Fox is out as well ... 51 left...

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One for the boys...

and I will pass good lucks on to his endness...

Sleep?

We left the cardroom at about 5ish, and went to Ali's for coffee, and some tennis betting...then crashed at Mr Ends...



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Right good luck wishes passed on.... We need to do a PRO here I think guys .. so get shouting .. and we can pass them all along to him .. he's feeling rough as he has a terrible cold, probably some virulent form of man flu.

P Vicary is ou -- he was the net qualifier, so well done him for doing so well!

50 remain.

Watching intently!

your camping then!!

With the sheep

Had another casualty...from table 9..

I think it is D Jolowicz, but as it is mostly just me here, it's a bit difficult!

Down to 49.

They need to start these Main Events at 3pm on Saturdays in future imo.

52 is far too large a number to be coming back from a tourny with around 120? (is that right) players

Could not agree more.

We've had some more departees.... we are apparently down to 41.... Paul Parker hos doubled, and things are going quite quickly... I don't trust the wall monitor though... but I will stand corrected if I have to <g>.

Blinds 600/1200, what's avarage chips, 30,000?

There's a lot of play left

Jeff Rogers raised 3k he was put all in by the SB P Moyce raied him all in .

About 8k thne..
it was race between AK and KK

No help from flop ....

Moyce doubles through.

Ave chips is about 34k Tom.

At is going to be a TV star.. here he is with 425's lovely Andy :)



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Hi - Ding here - BREAKING NEWS MATT IS OUT

His Jacks broken by King Ali malu - well he was tipped for the top folks......no more info at this time as Matt has walked away gutted..

Back home now. GL Blondites still left in

Heid,,,, go and sell ear plugs to the people on Paul Parker's table - you will make a fortune!!!!!  :D

Wish the Marbella Kid GL from me.

Ding here again - Paul Parker just gave some of his chips away - D williamson went allin stating he had to catch a flight at 9.15......

pau told him he wouldgive him a hand in catching it and called preflop.

Paul had  7s 8s  Williamson had  Ad  Ts

Board came  6c 8d Aspades 2c 8d

Paul said i knew I would help you one way or another...as Williamson doubles through......

Right we have a casualty on table 4.

AK vs 10's no help on the board..

The casualties are rolling in quite quickly now.

Must be down to 39 or so.

I think it was P Whyman, but it's not comnfirmed.

Heid
xx

Didn't Paul win that with a set?

Moyce on Tight End's table has doubled through to 50k from very agressive play. Moyce was an online qualifier.

On a short break.

The Sheep - Ian Foster  managed to pass quad 9's..we'll hear about that one on the forum I expect :)

40 left.

Heid
xx

Getting some battle stories now it's the break..

NotGus has doubled to 50k.

Anything else I will get it to you all :)

Don't be so blooming quiet!

Heid
xx

Good luck TightEnd and any other Blondeites involved.

 ;goodluck;

Definately need to do something as 52 is far too many with only 18 getting paid.
Especially when people are travelling from afar and need to stay over instead of going home, getting 2 hours sleep, then heading back.

I think the casino like to run satellites prior to the main event on the day ,so the gaming board needs to come out of the dark ages and allow them to stay open till 6 oclock like the rest of the week.

Players are back...blinds are now 800/1600.

Expect wounded, and soon.

How Big Kev doing?

They need Big TK to sort it out 4 'em.

My own opinion would be to increase the entry fee to £2000 for these festival main events.

Start it at 8pm Friday, start with 15,000 same blind structure.
Play till finish on Friday and then down to Final Table on Saturday night.

This way players will have a better structure, the prize money will be increased and you wont be getting to bed at 6am on Sunday Morning to have to come back at 3pm with 10k stack.

Good luck Msr End. May your table fellows be plagued by the nibblings of a thousand genital crabs ;-)

Twigg is doing very very well IKnowIt

Access is turning out to be a bit sporadic this afternoon... so bear with us .. if we disappear, Mr Iron will knwo why.

We are down another man.

Lionel Flaum is up to 20k, having knocked someone else out... 99 vs ak

B4Matt is out as well .. to 99's. Table 9 is a bit of a killer.

We are down to 36 .... I might still get  into the £100 freezeout this evening at this rate!

Heid
xx

Heswall!

Ding here - Paul Zimmler the marbella kid has just won an enormous pot his Ace King against an al in of A 5.

no help onn the board and Paul picks up the pot of 66000 bringing his stack to 80,000. He is smiling but doesnt want to give it all away he says as he pulls his chips closer to him.....

Didn't they get a new deck with only one 8 of diamonds?   ;tk;

Ding here - down to 34 so they are falling fast although we expect it to slow right down towards the bubble. Paul Parker has gone very quiet cards and sound wise.....he says hes ok though and its not over until its over- these players are such great philosiphers ;-)

Ooops - sorry - for the bright eyed and bushy tailed peopleout there well done - that should have been a 6!

But I have to say adding a few extra cards would liven it up a bit.....

Ding here - hello Dannypoker - marbella kid says hello - i told him he had to win it as you then woould have had another luton sucess by association - he said he would do his best

Another one gone C Khajuria started the day on 19,600 and went all in AQbeaten by trip kings. He said he had to make a move he was getting quite short stacked...another one bites the dust down to 33 and counting........

KIng Ali malu and Paul Zimmler are on different tables but are getting close in chips following Pauls last hand....

The card room is quietening...so time for gossip........TE needs to double up again so Heid is going to play on the slots as every time she does that he has won.......great excuse to spend more money....TE apparantly parked in the same space today - now we are not saying he is superstitous but....

Do you think I'll get a seat if I come down for tonights comp?

Paul Leckie just ended up splitting the pot despite having pockets aces - the board showed an ace straight with the other guy having A J.

Reddog - Ding here - heid suggests you ring the card room - I however will go and ask and report back......as its me you love......

Ding here - hi reddog - loads of seats left so you will get in. Its £100 pot limit and i am playing so there is some easy money to be made....

Ps self deal

Shall I compare thee to a summers day?

For thou maketh me hot and sweaty

Self deal, naa, I think I'll play on tinternet

Good luck though

BAD NEWS....TE very short stacked  dont know how he lost it but we dont want to ask at the mo - hes not looking very happy.......

BAR NEWS TTIGHTEND IS OUT

He put a raise in with a pair  of sixes for 4000. called by A 10 . Flop came 10 K 4 - Te went all in and was called by the A 10 who knocked him out.......very sad - he has gone away to kick himself- we'll hear from him later.....

Can you see how Dave Rudling is doing please?

UL Rich, but you went out like a lion, not a lamb

V UL M8

Not alot you can do when so low stacked.

I.ve modified my post to show that there was a king on the board and the guy still called - even more unlucky.....TE looking a bit blank......

tight end here


the hand before, having not seen a hand all day literally, i look down at AK in the BB and a guy goes all in on the button for half my stack

Automatic call, and he turns over 33, which holds up

the next hand i have no option to limp in middle position with the 66 because the table had become very aggressive, particularly so when Rudling moved to my table with monster chips, and he was on the button

i raise, hoping my tight image will give me respect, Rudders passes...first objective achieved

but loosey mediterranean chap in BB calls

he checks the flop and then almost beats me to the middle with his second pair for 90% of his remaining chips

again, if I check the flop I am basically giving up on the chips in the middle, and any other bet would have virtually committed me to the pot

good call by him

disappointing day, no cards, no unraised pots to exploit

now off to help with the updating

Hey it's the coughing machine here, who apparently dresses like an armadillo.  Could you please tell me how james atkin is doing please.  if he is still in will you tell him good luck and not to waste his  5s 7s as he only gets that once every 1300 hands :D

hi dafydd!...armadillo boy!!!

tight end here..(whoops...did i really say you dressed like an armadillo?) well played you aggressive little so and so

anyway Mrs Bambos has doubled up to 75k with AA

UL Tighty

Rudders 58k


Zimbler from Spain via London doubles up with AA vs KK, goes to 160k..monster chipleader


TE

Unlucky Tight end, keep your chin up though as your time will come soon.
how many left?   is Big Kev still going strong?

Take it we have another welshman on board,  :hello: croeso to blonde Dafydd

Right, there's a chip count going on at the moment, so we will have details, as soon as.

Stay Tuned

(Heid here)

Unlucky Mr End  :(

Diolch yn fawr iawn Dewi.  noticed you were cheering me on on friday and in the Bahamas.  very greatfull.  still no news on james atkin.  Hes the fish thats got really lucky on blue sq ;)

 ;cheerleader; ;cheerleader; ;cheerleader; ;cheerleader; GOOOOOOO RUDDERSSSSSSSSSSSSSS  ;cheerleader; ;cheerleader; ;cheerleader; ;cheerleader;

hmm so my hex didn't work for you Mr End. Sorry about that!

Chip counts at the latestbreak


steve bovis 23000
dave clark 24000
lionel flaum 84000
ali mallu 110000
ian foster 25000
rudders 58000
constantinou call for 90% of your chips with second pair 32000
zimbler 160000
moyce 72000
jim mcbride 30000
robert cooper 25000
paul leckey 13000
mo kazi 120000
paul parker 30000
kevin twigg 45000
erik not gus hansen 75000
lalli khajuria 30000
robert nystad 70000
niamh peters 20000
sergio capel 70000
mo mehrban 40000
chris bjorin 50000
racing ronnie 29k
james atkin 50000

a few unknown faces i will attempt to buttonhole for names asap

Tighty

Great play from Steve Bovis


Board is  Kc 9d 5d

Steve moves all in, called by steve constantiniou, who has not raised pre flop


steve has  Ad 2d in the BB

constantintoniniou has  Ahrt Ac

then it comes  8d Kh


Aces are cracked, and Mr Constantinople for Istanbul via Mespotamia and Ankara with a trip across the Persian Gulf probably thrown in at some stage is fatally wounded


Next hand Mr Constantinium has 9K, UTG and moves all in

called by Mr Clark

Constantimium from Persia via Nicosia or maybe Athens or Panathanaiakos has  3h 3d

Clark has  5c 5d

No help

Back on the Orient Express for you sir!!


down to 3 tables of 10 left


Tighty

Obviously routing for my mate james.  But you've got to fancy that Robert Nystad to do well.  He came 7th in the £750 and was a very strong player.  He seems like a man that doesnt need cards to win a poker tournament.

Lionel Flaum just folded pocket Queens which he was slowplaying after a 693 flop with matey boy making an allin bet


clever or stupid? you decide


Lionel Flaum is a localLuton player

In 1957, him being a chap of a certain age, he won £2m on his premium bonds

the next month, he won again, this time £10m, and gave the lot to charity


nice guy, not the cleverest though clearly

Dingdell is now referring to Lionel as her sugar daddy


tikay might be jealous



though undoubtedly he lacks the pecuniary attractions of Mr Flaum



tighty

Heid is not a natural David Bailey..........


 

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OK Heid here..

Have sent Mr "Arsey" End off to take photos, if he thinks he is so bloody good!

Anyway .. weare down to 25, hand for hand starts at 19 and 10 players respectively.

Mr End just arrived back comlaining that the camera doesn't work when in fact he just doesn't have a scooby.

Sooo.. play is very cagey at the moment.

We will be here a while.

Heid
xx

Hi Ding,

If you get a chance, wish "The Marbella Kid" good luck from me. By the sounds of things he doesnt need it!

Thanks hun.

Baggy

Who wants to be a miilionaire?

this is Lionel Flaum




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WD Heid and all for putting on a great report ;)

Welcome to Blonde, badhaircut (the swine who did for me in the £750 with his Queen on the river!!)

Thought you played great on Friday.  Took some calculated risks to accumulate chips on the bubble and got the reward.

I agree with you about Robert Nystad - he's got the game to do well again tonight.

Sheriff

PS: Bad luck TightEnd.  From your description of your conqueror as loosey, mediterranean I would guess it was Sergio, the Spanish guy who knocked me out of the main event in December.  If so, he likes AT, cos it was the same hand he did it with then too!  He's a funny one to read, makes some bizarre plays at times.  Likely to accumulate a decent stack and then donk it off again just as quickly.

Here's Ruthless1, Dingdell and that chap Mr Blue Hat from yesterday

He has been hanging around the cardroom for days, i think he will try and nip the winner for a few bob!


 

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Finally, time for some norkage


Tighty here, and no update from Luton would be complete without the goddess of the dealers, dina

sigh!






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Mrs Peters just got doubled up by ali mallu who is donking his chips away with much aplomb

she went all  in with  Qc Qd

he called with  5c 6c

as we all would

the baord improved neither hand

she doubles to 30k or so

 :redcard: :redcard: to Mr End for the Dina pic lol

Heidi spends countless hours updating the event and it takes Tighty about 2 minutes to get the update we all wanted!

Bless you, kind sir!

Sheriff

blinds are 1-2000

the board is  9c 8h Th

Mrs Peters bets 5k, called by mateyboy

turn is  Js

she bets 7,500

he dwells and folds


she is now similar stacked to Mrs Bambs


That girl news brought to you by me, tighty, via founder member of girls aloud, Dingdell

Robert cooper was struggling but has just chipped up with  Ad Jd versus  9h 9s

board comes the  Ac

doubles up


Paul Parker is getting louder as the bubble approaches, getting excited by the fact thatif he makes it to the final 18 he gets £1000 and therefore only loses £40 on the day. Good result for him apparently


Tighty

Cheers sheriff,  i knew my 7 high was good lol.  I thought you played very well too mate.  With the size of our stacks the ak aq hand the chips were always going in, and who can really determine the cards that hit from the deck.  Not my fault the queen hit.  Hope to see you in the future, i defiantely have intentions of getting on the blue sq/grosvenor tour.

p.s Any news on james Atkin please?? Hes very talkative he will definatley chat to u openly :D

now I am in charge, tighty that is, we are dispensing with these feminine niceties


Hied is on the slots, and I am sitting next to poppet7, who is laughing at my technological ineptitude


anyway now norkage will increase and lets get this thing rocking


p.s Charmaine, dina says  ;tracet;


lads, who would you like pictures of?

Your wish is my command

called by Dave Clark who is here with his band, the Dave Clark 5, has  Aspades 8d, goes all in v  Ac Ks

board all blanks until the river


wait for it


ready?

 8h

up to 19k


who can name me some Dave Clark 5 songs?

Was that  typo Tighty ?

Did you mean Nina Singh ?

Why bother changing a winning formula?

Sheriff

No criticism of your play was implied in my earlier post.  I hope you didn't take it as such.

Just one of those cruel turns of the cards.

Sheriff

PS: How old is that pic in your avatar?  There was considerably more hair there on Friday!

Wish Rudders all the best from me please.

(PS LEAVE ME OUT OF THE DINA THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;goodvevil;)

This is Erik "not gus" Hansen


localLuton player


bit of trivia for you

I was at school with Erik and did not see him for 20 years until one night i turned up to play in a small luton comp and he was on my table

we greeted each other like long lost acquaintances


"who are you?"

"dunno mate, don't we know each other"

but we are now firm friends





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in case you are wondering, all this is me, tighty. I seem to have taken over


right, BREAKING NEWS........



Ali Mallu in OUT


Goes all in with  Aspades 7s


called by a Danish chap, but these girlies are useless with names....


with

 Kd Ks

board

 6h 6d 2s 9s Td

nohelp, goodbye ali

Thats me in the this summer.  My mates burnt my badhaircut after i fell asleep during a house-party.  It all had to go then obviously.  Nah im sorry i didn't want to sound like i thought you were a bad looser, never thought that mate, or thought u were critisising.

dave clark 5 gossip


yesterday he called an all in blind

other guy had

 Jd Jh

he looks

he has

 Ks Kh


meanwhile I had convinced dingdell that this dave clark was dave clark from the dave clark 5


she goes up and askds for his autograph!!   :blonde:


he's not, in case you were wondering, but does play a lot of "bits and pieces"


tighty

Any news on Big Kev? Tighty please

A few notes:

Erik Hansen won in for £30 and an hour before the tournament thought about cashing his ticket in I hope he does well!!
Blue hat guy started giving me advice after I "donked" off all my chips...can't remember what he said lol. I just did lots of nodding and edging away.
That spanish guy sergio(?) was the guy who took most of my chips bizzare is definately the word I would use i'm not sure he has a clue what he is doing  Ahrt high is the nuts for him.

Can we have a full chip count please?

Good Luck to people who I know still left in

Lionel Flaum is out


probably being pestered too much by me asking for his lottery numbers



he has  Td 9d


flop  9c 9s 7s


His opponent is Mr Kazi, crazy name crazy guy, from Blackpool


check check on the flop


turn the  8d

Lionel bets,Kazi raises him all in

he calls


Kazi shows

 Qh Qc


river


BAD BEAT ALERT


SIRENS RINGING


Ready?


 Qd


 

tighty again, where have those girls gone



Rudders is OUT


Goes all in with Kc Qc


gets called by Ah 2h

flop 9h Ad 6s

and then 2c Js

Here's Paul Parker


dapper, debonair and, ahem, talkative



he talks, talks some more and then just when you think he is pausing for breath, starts up again


tighty





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Here's Paddy Taylor, aka Wardonkey


nice chap



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Kevin Twigg is on 48k

we are 19 left, so hand for hand on the bubble


life has slowed down a little

tumbleweed is blowing through the cardroom as players pass playable hands

tighty here


Heidi has decided to play the £100er tonight

Dingdell is playing too


can I be trusted to do this on my own?

well at least for the 20 minutes until they are out?

time will tell




Correction time


rudders is not out, a case of mistaken identiy by someone who will dingdell remain nameelss

Mrs Bambos has just doubled up

her  Ahrt Qd stood up


going to get full chip counts soon!


tighty



p.s professional huh? (not!)

Thx very much, tell him if he wins Ill be on the way back to Luton to carry on the party :cheers:

Mrs Bambos was doubled up by Robert Nystead

I'll see your Dina, and raise you a Zelda

Here is that lady of the moment


and the non poker player in the family


his advice to her indoors is to "tough it out because these young guys cannot be pushed off hands therefore be patient"


didn't he play poker once upon a time?


tighty




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so everyone, bubble time continues

Mr Blue Hat is back


who on earth is he?


like a bad rash, he just hangs around speaking a language vaguely related to English


i

Pass my regards on to everyone. I should be there but i have been struck down with illness. I feel terrible.

9 of the 19 remaining chip counts for you


70k is the average


Paul Zimmer       85K
Robert Cooper    75K
Khazi                 165K
Kevin Twigg       55K
hansen              100K
Mrs Bambos        70K
Steve Bovis        64K
Dave Clark          32K
Ruddles             102K

can you pass on my regards to the lovely dina

and can we get more pis of her please

SkippySkip here we have the rest of the chp counts


Ian Foster  50K
Paul Parker 35K
Mrs Peters  40K
Nystead     130K
Sergio Capell 50K
Racing Ronny 30K
Maehbarn    50K
Moyce         62K
Gjesdl       108K
Iacovou    60K

Whether its a Dina or a Zelda, I always sense a raise coming

Action Action Action

Mrs Bambos On the button looks down and see's  Kc Kd and is all in as it called by the BB who shows  Ad Ac no help on the flop and now is down to 34K

Hi guys- ive just got home from Luton, lovely too see you- (i cant belive dingdell couldn't find that massage oil.... ahhh)

great comp and great structures, just a shame my mate ali malu cant lay down his f~~~~~~#~~##~#~# arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Real pleasure to meet Heidi an TE for the 1st time top peeps, and its always a pleasure to be in the presence of dingdong,

and finally its lovely when your playing to have the support of blondes and esp my mate and guru Nun x x

Two Kentish ladies, or are they Ladies from Kent


something to do with which side of Chatham they come from


their travelling companion,Skippyskip tells me that Poppet7 did not exceed 50mph on the motorway

Ruthless 1 is the other lady


Poppet is a, well, ahem, cough, poppet really


tighty




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i've found a new screensaver


caption comp lads?




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a saver has been agreed whereby 19th gets £1000 too


i expect otherwise this bubble could have been the longest in history


tighty

Mrs Bambos is OUT in 19th


let the games begin........

Paul Moyce, online qualifier on Blue Sq


from Leicester


all in 11 times last night on low chips, came back today and began hitting monsters, which found callers with smaller monsters


going strong now, nice lad

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This is Mo Mehrban


Mo is a Luton player


lairy so and so, nice guy too




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Mrs Bambos was a trifle unlucky


she went all in with Kings

called by anna Kournikova


first card out, the Ace


face like thunder, being consoled by Bambos, who struggled to console her to be frank

well for a few minutes anyway, before he sloped back off to a monster omaha cash game....


men!!!

Right, on my own now as the £100er has started


who wants the real gossip now the girls have gone?


Ironside stand by....if there are technical hitches, I'm a calling!!!


tighty

That bloke next to mo ....  it looks like he is gonna say 2 words ... and the second one would be Off :)

Who's the one with the big tits and a beard ?

Dina vowed to go to the doctors first thing monday mornig to have the unsightly lump removed from her side :D

Great updates as per usual but I'm not sure I can agree that this was a great play. I'm not saying it was a bad play by Mr Bovis but to call it a great play is a tad OTT. How is fiindig yourself allin on a 33% draw regarded as a great play???.

One of the final tables

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and the other one...

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Kiv  :redcard:


Karbiner. A man of your age should know better  :redcard:


thediceman? journalistic hyperbole, my apologies (ps they are girlies, you can't expect them to understand the nuances of the play.....)

Final 18: seat orders and chip counts


Table 1


1. Mo Mehrban 65000
2. Paul Parker 25000
3. Frode Gjesdel 80000
4. Ian Foster 45000
5. Mo Kazi 115000
6. Kevin Twigg 64000
7. Rob Nystad 80000
8. Steve Bovis 75000
9. Sergio Capel 60000


Table 2

1. Paul Zimbler 82000
2. Robert Cooper 48000
3. Dave Clark 5  35000
4. Niamh Peters 55000
5. Pavel Iacouvou 55000
6. Paul Moyce 60000
7. Dave Rudling 85000
8.  Racing Roniie 80000
9 Not Gus Hansen 120000



as you can see the chip count dispersion has narrowed considerably in the last hour


all to play for,and impossible to call


tighty

caption comp lads?

Well love..This ruler is a very large ruler.but at a rough guess... around that big

Nice use of the word hyperbole   :respect:

And as you mention girlies any pic's of the lovely valets would be much appreciated  :)up

I reckon it will be Steve Bovis and Dave Ruddling heads up... anyone else gonna go for a prediction ??

18th place goes to Paul Moyce

Short Stacked after being bullied out of the previous hand he announces All In for the remainder of his 25000 chips and is called by Dave Rudling.

Moyce  Qc Th v  Kc Kd rUDLING

Flop   2s  3h  7s

Turn Ad

River  4c

And out goes Mr Moyce the blue square on-line qualifier who collects £1000

SKIPPYSKIP

It's going to be bleeding cold this week...

we have another casualty....


tighty back again


I find it works better when Skiipyskip does the running about and I sit here, typing

ahhhhhhhh but we have our love to keep us warm Mrs Nun xxx

PAvel Iacouvou finishes 17th

Pre flop battle

with Not Gus Hansen

Hansen has  Ad Kh

Pavel  has  9h 9d

pot worth 160k chips

board

 2h 4c Ks  Qc 7c


Not Gus but Eirk is now on 210000

Is Dave Clark,glad all over to have reached the money..Great update by all of u, very informative.......

I wonder if now is the time to mention those photos of Erik I have of him at 15 years old?

mullet, acne, very embarrassing


about 5% of his action embarrassing I reckon

ronnie the bollox,paul parker ,go on the brighton ;goodvevil;

Yep, the 4 point gap to be reversed by the end of the season  :D

ed, thai girls playing the blackjack....


something for the weekend sir? lol

Anyone playing The Vic tourney tomorrow ?

Bless him ...  do you need the nurse love ?? ;)

Paul Parker has doubled up several times

third time he turned over  Qh 8h having been called by a scandi with  5c 5d

small blind then comes over the top with  Js Jh, three to the flop with a side pot


first card out? a  Qs

PAUL PARKER IS ABSOLUTELY FLYING


He raises to10k with  Qc Qd, blinds being 1500-3000

Steve Bovis moves over the top in the BB for 65k with  Ks Jd

Paul thinks, ponders, goes quiet

pigs begin flying


He calls

No improvement

STEVE BOVIS OUT IN 16TH


Paul up to nearly 200k

and the Colchester Kev bok is alive and kicking


MRS RUDLING, BE VERY WORRIED

any more pics on dina?

hi richard


gl to all the luton plyrs

not gus deserves a big win  

mo will be moaning even if he wins

lionel is going to buy grovesnor if he loses  (its an urbam myth about him winning the premium bonds 2 months running)
he is the one that spreads it   but gl to him anyway

big kev is in great form after chopping in the 750  

KEVIN TWIGG IS OUT IN 15TH


He has  Ac Ks

Not Gus Hansen has  Jh Js

board

 2s 4c 6h Tc 8h


Erik is now nearly 300000

Poker 425 star for the day.....


Ian Vidal at it Gamblor Bradley




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My current co updater, and a fine job he's doing too


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Ian "The Sheep" Foster is out in 14th


Mo crazy name crazy guy Kazi raises to 3x the BB

Foster in the BB calls


flop

 Tc 9h 8d


Foster goes all in

called quicker than a very quick thing by crazy name


on your backs


Foster

 9c 7c


Kazi  7h 6h


turn and river bring no change

Frode Gjesdel out in 13th

having lost a bunch of chips on the previous hand in a 120k pot versus Nystad in Scandi on Scandi action

he had 4k chips left,moved all in on Parkers BB with  8c 9c

Parker had  Qd Ts


Frode sees no help and exits, stage left


sans teeth, sans eyes, sans everything...to quote the venerable bard of stratford upon Avon

Nice bokking 77dave!

Unlucky Kev.

and MO MEHRBAN has just gone in 12th


I can't keep up


news to follow

Mo is on Button with  7s 9s, raises, SB calls...guess who...Parker...


flop

 Qc 6c 4s

Mo short stacked moves in

Paul has a  Qd


anyone else you care to bok 77dave?

the whole table is dreading your vote of confidence!!!

Can you please wish gl to rudders for me!

Rudders is a picture of calm urbanity in a Hackett shirt and rakishly swept hair, fashionably a touch too long


He is a bloody great big bully too, not that I took it personally


tighty

not saying another word   ;scarymoment;

One more out


Mrs Peters out in 11th


She has  Ac 9s short stacked

versus Hansen 5h 5s


the pocket pair holds up


10 left...BUBBLE TIME AGAIN

WE HAVE JUST HAD A 190K POT



Sergio raises 3x BB

Caller in Paul Parker


flop

 9s Th Qh

Sergio checks

Paul all in

Sergio calls after a delay of 3.2 nanoseconds

Sergio shows

 Kd Jd

Paul Shows  Ac Aspades


turn is a  Jc

river  Ad

Paul Parker is therefore down to 50k again

Rudders a bully never! I keep telling him to get a hair cut.

Chip  counts of the final 10



Parker up to 85k
Zimbler 55k
Kazi a crazy 250k
Nystead 135k
Sergio the fish 190k (so described by his table, not me I hasten to add)


Cooper 110k
Clark 38k
Rudling 62k
Racing Beaulox 60k
Hansen 330k

FINAL!



CLARK OUT IN 10TH


J9 vs AQ

Hansen's J9 hits to send us off the bubble and send the 1960s singer home


talk amongst yourselves, shortbreak time

Unlucky dave ...  could have been another Colchester man in the final with Mr Rudders ...  Rudders will start making moves now, win or bust for him.

"Rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb"

"Rhubarb?"

"Rhubarb, rhubarb!"

FINAL TABLECHIP COUNTS


1. Paul Parker 112k
2 Paul Zimbler 53k
3. Mohammed Kazi 229k
4. Rob Nysted 175k
5. Sergio Capel 178k
6. Erik Hansen 383k
7. Ronnie DeBeaulox 65k
8. David Ruddling 42k
9 Roberet Cooper 102k


blinds are 3000-6000 on our return


pictures of finalists to follow


Sarah 0502, be still your beating heart......

pics of dina prefered

gooo on rudders.  ;karabiner; ;karabiner; ;karabiner;

Interview with Erik Hansen

q. Tell me about it

a: i can't miss all day, everything has gone for me

q for example?

a. I raise with J9, 4X the BB, small stack all in for 36k, i have to call for the 14k more, flop A83, turn 7, river 10.straight

q. so what is your strategy for the final?

a: take it easy for awhile,and am under no pressure....

q.who do you think your biggest challenges will come from?

a..don't know many of the players well.Know Parker and Zimbler who have been on my table all tournament

q. so you are going to be a rock for a bit?

a: i will continously change my strategy

q. tell us about your poker history?

a: this is my first main event

a: i have never played another one, i qualified for £30 and wanted to sell my seat an hour beforehand but wasn't allowed to sell a satellite ticket

q. what was your crux moment in the tournament?

a: i reraised out of the blinds with KK, at 300-600, and 44 laid down what would have made him a set to knock me out


q. good luck mate from tighty

a: thank you very much

te... your a natural... look out tk :D :D

Goodluck on the final table Rudders  ;cheerleader; ;cheerleader; ;goodluck; ;goodluck; ;cheerleader; ;cheerleader; from Charmaine and Paul

please wish rob nystead gl from me also. i played on his table all day yesterday, he's one to watch for the future and as seems the case with all scandies the barstewards are unbluffable :-(

Just spoke to Erik Hansen sounds confident. I hope he wins it!!

i think quite a few of you are getting your Rudders mixed up....

khazi/rudders is not David Rudling. His name is Richard Rudling-Smith.

rudders as in the p4c guy, who goes to poker4c with his brother?

Can we have some pics of the finalists please.

coming jon


Mohammed Kazi and David Rudling are in the final table, not Rudling Smith


sorry for any confusion

ahhhh but only if it wasn't so easy to confuse me ;tk;

grrrrrr

I figured it out when TE said he was a bully, Rudders is a rock!

ohhh poo

Paul Zimbler

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Sergio Capel

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David Rudling

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Robert Cooper

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Robert Nysted

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DEMON  DEMON  DEMON

666

go win it rob cooper!

where is dinas latest pic

Erik Hansen

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Ronnie DeBeaulox

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Mo Kazi

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last, and certainly not the least or the quietest


Mr Paul Parker






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Please pass on my best wishes to Ron and Paul Parker please....
.Denis O Mahoney

David Rudling is out in 9th, collecting £3500


goes all in with pocket 9's, Nystead calls with  Qh Th, and hits an overcard

right then


dina is now dealing roulette, her back is to me...


forget the poker, just imagine the view.......

the most notable feature of the final tableso far is Nysted raising at every opportunity and winning pots unchallenged. I think he looks like the winner to me


that apart it is cagey stuff


meanwhile Heid and ruthless1 are down to the last 14 players in the £100er that closes the festival

who else is in the final 2 tables of the 100



what time do u reckon the main event with finish??

Paul Zimbler out 8th


Short stacked he moves all in with  Jh Th


Capel calls with  Ac 8d


board

 Qc 2s 8h Qs 7s


He collects £4200  for 8th

£100er...Phil Cooklin, Brian Sadler, Lee Barber, Tom Arthurs, Calvin Stacey, Carmy Banin...rest unknown


finish time?  2am? 3am?

who knows!!!!


blinds just moving to 4000-8000, masses of play

My bed calls...So thanks for a great update guys............All your hard work was very much appreciated.

Regards ..The Nun...xx

rough chipcount


DeBeaulox 60
Hansen 450
Cooper 90
Nystead 300
Capel 280
Kazi 250
Parker 160


I am going Nysted

anyone want to disagree?

wow how many started the £100 15?

Nysted is good knocked me out yesterday. But rooting for Erik Hansen will make them 1 and 2.

64 started the £100er

can someone tellme the Liverpool/Man U score from earlier please?


tighty

1-0 To the Mighty Reds

Ferdinand 90th minute header

Lucky Fish  ;fish;  :(

Who is going to get the update Karaoke started?


I'll give you the first couplet


Oh, mylove, my darling.....
I hunger for your touch...


p.s raise and fold stuff here........amuse yourselves...

good,that did the trick


Ronnie DeBealox out in 7th, collecting £4900


with less than 10x BB left he pushes with Q10 and is called by Kazi in the BB with K5


no improvement from the board


I short stack left, Mr Cooper

then Paul Parker

and then four monsters who most likely will battle this out 

are u still mine
i need your love
..... god speed   etcet c

7 green bottles hanging on a wall

evening guys and gals. good to see you're coping without me although the quality of photography has gone downhill since I left.
Heid, 2 questions
- What happened to Alli Mallu? He's the only one of my morning predidtions not to cash, I guess I'm going with Kazi now as he's the only one left
- Have you still got the photos I took late yesterday? I thought that the one of JP was quite good but didn't see it on the pc so might be wrong

five little duckss went swimming one day
over the hills and far away
mummy duck said quack quack quack quack
but only four little ducks came back


yes, it's been a long day, and hallucination is setting in

Gatso

Ali Mallu "donked" his chips away in spectacular fashion, see about page 10

JP's picture, yes it's here, will try and post it

Especially for gatso


jp Kelly, past his bedtime


school tomorrow




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Heidi out 11th in the 100, Ruthless1 out 12th


boo!

Robert Cooper out 6th, collecting £6300


Capel raises to 24k, called by cooper with AK

FLOP 736


checked bvy Capel, Cooper pushes all in

Capel has 66 for trips

TURN 4

RIVER A

i hear mumblings of a five way deal

this is being promoted by Paul Parker, who I suspect could sell sand to Middle Eastern states at a premium


Sergio Capel, the joint chip leader now, has the air of a rather bemused beaver who returns home to find someone has broken his dam

quite why the monster stacks wish to listen to the short stack is currently beyond me

now u know why i christened him  "the gob almighty"  ;)

mind you they have been playing for 17 hours in this comp now

and the payout structure is familiarly skewed


48k
27k
17k
11k
8k

Paul Parker is gesticulating like a traffic policeman on viagra.....


sergio and robert are the blockers


erik happy to deal i think


chip count taking place

erik has left the area, i think his cut as chip monster has been agreed


now put yourself in the position of an Italian guy with a smattering of English haggling a deal with MotorMouth......

No timing that JP. He's put his arm across his chips just as the pic was taken. Shame as the stack was massive at that point

Anyone else think Rob Nysted looks like Scottish Dave?

or even Spanish!

there are quite amazing scenes here, resembling a bazaar in Marrakesh


much passionate negotiating and raised voices, with friends of the players getting involved


the deal may now be off


I think, though I may be wrong, that paul is pushing for more than the equity assumed by his chip count


this really is very heated

Spanish,ah yes

Spanish, i knew that

ALMOST CERTAIN NOW A DEAL HAS BEEN REACHED

I only know because I made the same mistake in December!

 :blonde:

Sheriff

I am going to try and grab a few words with some of the protagonists to give you the lowdown on what has happened

bear with me


now playing out for the trophy and the jacket etc

I just don't understand deals at all, I think they go against the whole nature of poker, and definately against its image.

When you get to this stage of the tournament, you want to see who does well in the pressure situation, that is what poker is about. Everyone is getting a good prize anyway, I think they should play for the prizes as they are.

No sport has this anticliamtic feeling that we get so often when you reach the last few in a knockout competition.

Congratulations to the designers of the ranking system who have decided that any deal with say five people to go means that everyone gets the points for fifth place only.

Play for the points boys, not the money!

ok, Carmel has insisted that details of the deal will remain private, and of course we will respect that


one of the more intriguing episodes of deal making I have witnessed though


and, easypickings, how can you say to a local guy like erik Hansen, who is playing in his first ever ranking event, to play for the points? the points mean nothing to him...the money presumably means far more...the guy is a teacher in Stevanage, this is a lot of money to him


and here, you have  a strange situation, where the shortest stack has brokered a deal which gives him above chip equity because he can talk the hind legs off a donkey. Good luck to him

The problem is that our prize structures over here are far too top heavy (amongst other faults, like awarding prizes which are lower than the buy-in and having fluctuating prize increments as you move up the structure).

When the blind levels get high it becomes a luck-fest.  Who in that situation is going to turn down a safe sum of money in the form of a deal than risk the jump of £40k from 5th to 1st in this case?

Sheriff

yeah i've altered my payouts so its 35%, 25%, 15% , 10%  etc
not so big a jump for that reason

I agree completley Heid, but I think because everyone is getting paid so handsomely now, even if they finish fifth, that there is no need to split the money any differently.

I understand entirely the reasons for the players taking a deal; the big stacks get a guaranteed big win, and avoid a possible huge slide if they get unlucky, and the small stacks get a heftier chunk of the prize pool in a situation where they could go out on the next hand. In a sense, people would be foolish not to take a deal.

My quip is against the fact that deals are allowed, not that the players decide to take them. I think a prize structure that was far less skewed would be the best solution.

Stuart, it is tighty posting all this


I agree the prize structure is the problem


 

I've mentioned these issues before, everyone seems to agree with them, but nothing ever seems to change.

 >:?

Hey all.

I can see the point of view of the players on the deals situation, as they do not want to randomize the process by risking a potentially big win that they have workied so hard for. However, surely, the whole setup of tournament poker means anyone can get unlucky and get knocked out at any time. Therefore, why take away such a potentially thrilling end to a 2-day event by saying "actually, its more luck than anything, so we may as well call it a draw and miss out on the most exciting part for all involved"

come on guys, thats almost as lame as cricket!

ah well i did something ;)       ;goodvevil;

Agree completley Tighty. A prize structure similar to the one that players typically agree when they do a deal is surely the best solution; there would stilll be a big enough increment to make each extra position important, without being so crucial.

Congratulations to all involved, it will still be all guns blazing for the victory and the jacket.

Any chance you can run the Luton cardroom?

i repeat, you have an unusual situation here


a very persuasive short stack


a chip leader who can deal and win in excess of a year's salary, a local lad who has massively played above anything he has achieved before


the circumstances here are Do help contribute to this early deal

I have to disgaree entirely about cricket being lame. The winner of the biggest cricket competition in the world gets a tiny trophy with a few ashes, whilst the losers are left with nothing at all.

fair point stu, at least by changing the prize structure the whole essence of the final table would remain intact. proper poker could be played while the risk of a slide from potentially lots of oney to very little is greatly decreased.

by the way stu, paul says heyup. and jen.


lol "a very persuasive short stack" surely this is one reason why deals shouldnt happen! the big talkers make more money without playing poker, but just by using their negotiating skills

and we both know cricket is lame

After playing things out PROPERLY the result is as follows


5th Paul Parker
4th Sergio Capel
3rd Erik Hansen
2nd Robert Nysted
Winner MOHAMMED KAZI

deal making is a skill in poker though numpty dumpty, this is undeniable, Parker shouldn,t be knocked for that

it is a skill of poker as it stands at the moment, true.

however, i do not believe that it should be, because as i said before, i believe deals take something from the game.

i am not having a go at parker of course. fair play to him if he can blag that.

he could blag anything :)  top bloke, but talk the hind legs off a donkey

Devil's advocate time.....

Did any of this week's events get played to a conclusion without a deal?

I'd be surprised if the answer was >1, much less surprised if it was 0.

the biggest  comp in the cricketing world is the world cup (large trophey) and not the ashes in fact most years the ashes isnt even played between 2 of the top 4 cricketing nations

they have a world cup every year?

cant say i ever noticed.

..top sport tho

..and interesting too.

Don't know why you all think the `big' talkers get the best deal.
In my experience it is the quiet ones and those that only get involved in the discussions
after everyone else has had their say that usually get the best of it.
It is quite simple as you all have said, it is the ridiculous prize money structure that
dictates a deal is likely almost everytime `big' money is on offer.
It makes no sense to gamble for £20k over who wins an AK v JJ!
Please change the payout structure.

We have a winner's picure :)

(Heid Here )



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world cup every 4 years ashes every 2

cricket is best listen to on the radio in a dark room this is much better than any sleeping pill i have taken (execpt one but cant get that on perscrition and only ever admininstered by a doctor) i rarely get any sleep aaprt from during the cricket season infact if anyone has any old cricket matches on cd please let me know i will pay good money for them

Tighty back again


Paul Parker to Rob Nysted


"the best play at the final table was undoubtedly the deal you negotiated for yourself, fair play to you"

a direct quote


I do not know the numbers, but all parties are now preparing for the presentation ceremony

my honest recollection is the answer is 2

Where's the "I'm surprised" smiley?

 :o

don't they have to report a deal?
for the rankings?

 :o

you could use shocked

 :o

for rankings all they need to report was deal done 5 way so all players get 5th points

Another intervew with Erik Hansen

q. so how did the final table go for you? any alarms?

a.no, plain sailing, uncontested raises built my stack up from 380k to 470k

q. talk us through the beginnings of the suggestion of a deal?

a. the short stack suggested it first, so we worked chip equity pro rata and tweaked it, but one player wanted a few thousand more than chip equity

a. so a couple of us brokered this

q. why did you want to deal when chipleader?

a. the deal guaranteed me better than second place money and why am i going to risk this on say AA vs KK and a third K falling for example

a.also I am a local player and this is a huge result for me, both poker and money wise

q. why did the deal discussions get so heated?

a. paul would not shut up!!! (laughs loudly!!)

q.  any plans to play more circuit events?

a.not immediately

q.so Luton rookie night on tuesday then?

a.sighs. yes, basically!!

a. seriously though, freezeouts from now on

q. thank you and well done

a. thank you

q.do you need an agent?

a. laughs, i am not giving you 10% of anything

tighty: well i tried!!!

why have tighty as an agent for 10% when he could of had me for 20%

Ok guys ... we are pretty much all done now ... Just one the the pics for the winners, with Carmel.

So three more pics and I hand over to Mr end for closing thoughts....

It's been long...

Heid
xx

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Carmel and our winner...

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your missing the pic of a very important person

who would that be  ;scarymoment;

well she has a very lovely unirform on and can normally be seen getting chased by tikay round the cardroom

Tight End here as we sign off for this event


I hope you have enjoyed this update


It was not even thought about until Thursday until I heard on the grapevine that Carmel was expecting Blonde to be updating and I know Blonde wishes to continue it's fruitful partnership with Grosvenor

With Tikay in the Caribbean and Snoopy and Jen committed to Copenhagen, we were in a bit of a pickle

So I am enormously grateful to everyone that came along to help

Heid Dingdell and gatso carried Day 1 by themselves, with later help from dannypoker

today Heid and Dingdell were joined by Skippyskip and Poppet 7 who were both great and Wardnkey helped too at times

It would have been impossible without their help

Many many thanks to them all

It was probably a bit different,maybe a bit amateur, but it was emotional!


Cheers everyone

Sounds like Tight End did an admirable job standing in.  He even took the trouble to bust out to maximise his letching opportunities!

btw what happened in the £100 comp

In all seriousness, you did a great job, including the mini-update on Friday aswell!

 :respect: ;applause; :respect: ;applause; :respect: ;applause;

Well done on the updates

final stil happening, Heidi and ruthless1 out just before the bubble

wow they been watching tikay too much

tell them next time to take lessons of me instead ;D



good work tighty now go sort the quiz out and the next blonde bash and once you have done all that sweep up turn the lights off and grab an early night

this is exactly why I will be lobbying for Dusk Till Dawn to be a "no-deals allowed under any circumstances"poker club. Obviously the payout structure will be different to the current climate. It would be a risky decision to make but we hear the same comments inside and outside of the casino by the players in nearly every major final in the UK.

And yes, its is a definate advantage to be a strong and persuavive person when the deal talk starts, which can't be a part of poker thats good for the game. Paul Parker's a top bloke though and I'm sure he was fair. Another thing that asways happens on the bubble is savers, which is not really fair on the last person that went out just before the bubble. I'm sure these things will change with the unification of all card room rules accross Grovsevenor and other casino groups thats is currently being looked at.

I arrived home about 15 minutes ago, had a good night even if I was aching to play! Will post the pics later, didn't get many though.

Poppet xx

Thanks for the updates guys 'n gals.  Much appreciated.

Nice updates, but it's completely farcical that after the amount of effort and man (and woman) hours Blonde have put into two days of updates that you aren't allowed to report the payouts that the top five finisher's received.

Since the legislation changed so that casino's cannot officially acknowledge any deals this has caused more problems than it has solved and makes the whole deal making business seem shady, and this can't be good for the image of the game.

Great updating guys -

i have been in the final 4 of some tournies this year and only once was a deal done.  It was 5 out and i wasnt particularly happy, but thought why make myself unpopular and sods law will probably mean getting outdrawn and coming out next.

In another tourney - i came 4th where the prize money for the top 4 was c. £100,000.  I got £10k and 1st got £50k.  At no point did we ever talk about a deal even tho we had pretty much similar chips (in fact i was CL - oops!!!)

The problem is purely in the payout structure - 40%-20%-13%-9% for the top 4 in the tourney above is just too big a leap.  If you want to stop deals happening then this gap needs to be bridged.  Especially as more and more are coming from satellites on and off-line, and are pontentially playing above their buy-in comfort level.

As someone said, I dont particularly have a problem with players wanting deals, but it can be avoided by altering the structure.  Lets not forget there is a bit of luck to this game and 4 out sometimes the CL can still come 4th (!!!)

People often talk of the payout structure being the problem at the end of tournaments. Whilst this is partly true, I think deals come about more because the end of tournaments descend into all-in blind stealing fests, where you're relying on the luck of a) getting dealt good cards and b) having them hold up.

Whilst I applaud Rob's intentions in this regard, I just can't see how he can make it happen, unless every biggish tournament's final table happens the next day, with blinds reduced (maybe this is what he's thinking - if so, it's a great idea).

I certainly with Rob on savers - only the wimpiest of the wimps look to scrape their entry fee back on the bubble.

The luton blind structure is slow by comparison to most and is probably not the reason for deals at that establishment. Although I was ill last night and could not make it to the venue, I am almost certain that with 5 players left, it was NOT a crapshoot. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

It all comes down to the money for most people.

That final was certainly NOT a crapshoot. Luton main events have the best structures I have played in. Another reason maybe the length of time?? I mean 50 people came back for day 2 and played 12 hours?!? I wasnt there so I dont know.

I watched the Omaha final, which business WAS done. 3 players I believe, with circa 200k in chips each. Blinds 1500 3000 - Certainly NOT a crapshoot.

I myself have ALWAYS said I wont do deals. Yes the money is good, but if I have played for 2 days, I wanna WIN the damn thing!!

I dont see how to avoid deals being done though. If you flatten the structure too much, people will have the opinion of "why play for another 4 hours cos if I win, I wont get much more than if I deal"

I personally think deals will ALWAYS be part of poker - but not while I am on the final table they wont be!!

Maybe, void ranking points if a deal is done?!? I dont know

I wasn't specifically referring to yesterday's Luton tournament (I wasn't really following the event as it went along), I was making a more general point about deals and structures. I just posted it in this thread because Rob made the post about deals at his club.

We saw the opposite end of things in yesterday's $500,000 tournament on Crypto, which had the flattest payout structure I have ever seen in a cash tournament ($57,500, or 11.5% of the prize pool, to the winner). This was obviously done because of the large number of satellite qualifiers for the event. If you have a large proportion of the field who are playing for way bigger stakes than they usually are, everyone rocks up and just tries to make the next money level (and, in a live event, looks to cut deals) - a flatter payout makes this less likely to happen. (It was also structured this way to keep more money in the network - one player winning a big amount would withdraw, whereas more, smaller, winners are more likely to play poker with their winnings and give the cash back in rake).

M3boy makes a good point - if the payout is too flat, people will deal just so they can go home. If you ban deals, players will just come up with furtive ways to circumvent this.

In addition to ranking points (which a local satellite winner is not going to care about anyway), maybe there could be some sort of non-cash prize for first (trophy, bracelet, entry to another event) which is simply not awarded if there is a deal done? If the chip leader wants to cut a deal, he loses the chance to win this extra prize?

It's a thorny one.

I can confirm that the final table was most certainly not a crapshoot

at the time the deal was concluded blinds were 4000-8000 and there were 1,400,000 chips in play


the shortest stack had about 20x BB

this happened to be Paul Parker

add to the fact that the chip leader was a local satellite qualifier unconcerned with points

and you have the recipe for an early deal

I've been vocal for a flatter pay out structure for sometime to encourage play to a conclusion but even with a flatter pay out structure there will always be certain circumstances where a deal is appropriate ie crapshots, etc. The issue is that most people are naturally going to air on the side of caution and evaluate the risk/return situation. Just watch deal/no deal. Having played down from a field of say 200 plus and your in the last 5 surely most people are going to start looking at the best return they can get. For some this is will be an attitude of playing for the win, for others it will be protecting a % and not risking it on an bad beat.

I was very surprised to read of two deals being made in situations where I thought no deals would happen. The first was at Rob's last home game where Beppe and another made a deal. This was especially surprising as pre the event it was stated that no deals could be made. It was also surprised to read that a deal was made at the blonde poker bash between Aces and AJ. I'm not sure if this was a result of a chip count but if it wasn't I can't understand why two poker pro's would make a deal in a low buyin friendly comp where it more about the bragging rights. Then again maybe there was good reasons for these deals that I am not aware of.

The simply fact is whilst it's the players OWN money at stake they are going to look to get the best £££ return they can so they can maintain as bigger bankroll as possible.

Flatter structures is the only control I can see that can be implemented that will REDUCE the current situation of almost every comp ending in a deal but deals will continue to occur however flat a structure is. 

I dont like deals but I have done them in the past - mainly heads up - for one reason only - pure exhaustion - if I have played for hours and for whatever reason am so knackered that i cant get that last bit of thinking power then i'll deal - its better to get more than second....

But if I'm in the zone - no deal - very difficult thought when the rest of the table wants to deal and you dont - can be a cause of table colusion if they all know each other.......and the casinos dont easily detect of prove it so wont deal with it.

So -  a reason for a deal - dead on your feet.

Going back a bit in the discussion, Tighty said that the amounts of the deal were to be kept secret.

Details of tournament results and prize monies are publicly available. Those finishing 6th and below in the event can't request that the amount of cash they took out of the prize pool be kept secret. Is there not an argument for saying that deals (which tamper with the prize structure that all entrants agreed to take part under) should be just as public as the rest of the prizes?

the casinos dont pay out the deal amounts they pay the advertised structure so can only make that public

if the 5 players dont want to tell anyone how much they took out the deal how can the deal be published

because no one knows who took what apart from the players

Hey everyone - never posted here before but I hope you might find my take on the whole deal thing to be of interest. As has been said, i qualified in a satellite for £30 and whatever the outcome, I was headed for by far the biggest payday of my short poker career. My reasons for doing the deal were, in order of importance, as follows: 1 - the deal was done according to chip counts, which meant (without giving too much information away) that I was getting the largest cut, significantly better than 2nd place money, guaranteed. 2 - In my judgement the most dangerous player to me was the Norwegian guy and he was sat on my left. With my inexperience at this level I felt his positional advantage over me 4 and 3 handed would be very telling. 3 - I was starting to get very fuggy-headed after playing 20 hours of poker on 3 hours sleep, coffee and nicotine.
I agree with almost everything said on this forum about deals, especially the skewing of the prize structure. I have a structure to propose for 18 place payouts which I believe is a fairer distribution of the cash and would discourage alot of deals.
Having said that, hammering out a deal that one thinks is favourable to oneself is surely a part of tournament play and money management and as such can and should never be stopped. If tournament organisres wish to ban dealing from their competitions, they are free to do so and players who are prone to dealing wouldnt enter those comps.
Finally, a word about Paul Parker. A lovelier bloke to play poker with you will never meet. Those of you who have had the pleasure will verify that he is hilarious and keeps everyones spirits up. Yes, he initiated talks about the deal, but everyone was up for dealing or it wouldnt have happened. As it happens, and again I dont want to give too much away if the others want the details kept secret, but suffice to say that it was Norwegian guy, not Paul, that brokered the best deal for himself.
I would be happy to answer any more questions anyone has about this or any other stuff to do with this amazing ride I have been on this weekend.

Cheers all.

 hey Not Gus   :hello:& ;welcome;

Glad to have you here. great first post and congrats on the result.... :respect: :respect: ;applause; ;applause;

Suggested prize structure as mentioned before, along with payouts as they would have been for this main event using these perentages.

18 Players

position                      % of pool                   £ in main event

1st                               25 %                            35,000
2nd                              20 %                            28,000
3rd                               15 %                            21,000
4th                               10 %                            14,000            
5th                                6 %                              8,400
6th                                4.5%                            6,300
7th                                 3 %                             4,200
8th                                2.5%                            3,500
9th                                 2%                              2,800
10-11th                          1.75%                          2,450
12-13th                          1.5 %                           2,100
14-15th                          1.25%                          1,750
16-18th                           1 %                             1,400

I think people would be much more willing to play on for titles, points etc if there was not so much financial risk attached. This smooths out the curve somewhat and even gives a small profit for 10-18th, instead of the preposterous situation of them beating 120+ players over 2 days and losing forty quid for doing so. Also, i see no reason why 10th cant get a little more than 18th.
Personally, I would like to see 9 player payouts a little less top heavy too, something like 30, 20, 15, 10, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3 %

 ;welcome; hi i was one of the lucky ones who managed to be at Luton, your table was the  one with the most action right from the start. Its was great to watch all the action. i wished i had seen more of the final table, but i was busy playing the £100 game, which i went out 12th, by the time i had finished , a deal had been done. I imagion your still buzzing, i know i would be, Goodluck for your future comps. ;cheerleader; ;cheerleader;

Ruth why have you avoided my marriage proposal  :(

I m sure my dad would approve of me marrying a Scotts man, (as he is a scottish man) but i ve heard they Tight.
But i need a rich man to keep me POKER!!!

i may not be rich, but i can drink lots of beer for long periods of time, does this help at all?

A p*ss head too?
Poppet has told me you drink like a fish,

who me, you ask anyone that attended the blonde bash, if i drink alot, and they will tell you the truth!  8)

 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: ;letsparty; ;letsparty; ;sleep; ;sleep;say no more

lol i love the use of smiley configuration to explain, step by step, the social side of poker!

more like eats for Scotland! I watched him plough through about 3 plates of food, and he finished before veryone else even though he was talking for Scotland too! ;)

you know me sooo well!

Note to self: never ever ever take Dave out to dinner, unless I win the lottery or its a cheap all-you-can-eat!