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This hand is kind of a novelty, so bear with me.

Super 50 side event of the SPT Nottingham. Blinds are 100/200. We have around 17k from our initial 15k starting stack. Villain has about 20k and is a competent live player.

Folded round to villain who has played probably c.30% of pots but has been aggressive when he has played. He is in the hijack and opens for 700, which is consistent with his opens so far in this level.

I look down at  8s 8c and raise to 1600 on the button. I have a fairly tight image and have 3bet twice so far, once showing AK and the other time not showing. Villain 4bets to 2,600. I decide to call.

Flop comes  Qs  7s 6d.  Pot 5500.

Villain now throws out a 5k chip and says "Three".

I ask the dealer how much he has bet and, at this point, the dealer twigs, calling the floor. Floor rules after a discussion that the bet is 300, as the blinds are 100/200. Villain is understandably not happy. He is given 4,700 change and 4500 of it is given to him in a single stack, which he leaves on the chip line.

I call.

Turn 4c

Check check.

River  5h

(I know).

Now what?

What does he do ?

Haha. I was on the table when this happened I thought it was a little harsh on villian as his intentions were clear. I think what you did in this hand was pretty much spot on

Villain checks.

If the 4500 is still on the betting line, that is what I am betting. Big, I know, but he's likely steamed and it's such a fun spot.

;)

 ;whistle;

Is there an argument for overbetting the pot?

The problem is he almost certainly doesn't have much - probably AceBig - and there's very little value to be gained from a huge bet. If he has 99-JJ, we could get a hero call, affected by the circumstances.

What I actually did is exactly what Gascoigne Jr did, exactly for the reasons Gascoigne Jr said. Scary. #TabsGottaTab

Interested to know the thoughts of others, though.

Tomsom, he quite clearly meant 3k and it's a mistake anyone could have made. By this point in the hand, it's a 4bet pot pre and it's such a bizarre situation to be ruled as a 300 bet.

If I had just thrown 3000 chips in and he had jammed, that would have been fun!

I think you should post a hand involving the old Greek guy tal lol!

That might take a while and I'm not sure anyone would believe me.

I know  :P

Alright after having my episode of being a tit:

Don't think we have to 3b pre, and I'm not a fan of flatting the 4b at all.  Were certainly getting more than 20-1 implied on a call to the orignal raise (not that we are JUST set mining) & were in position.  Playing these tournaments I will be less inclined to want to tangle with someone aggro at this early stage and just small ball my way through the first few levels.  These tournaments play very much like a turbo MTT SNG and imo, pre ante, tight is right.  Absolutely no reason to go to war with an aggro player when we can make our lives so much easier by just flatting the button and playing a flop IP.

What you don't account for tomsom is that villian is going to get a poor decision from the floor and bet 300 into a 5k pot lol

Its a good point well made!!!  I still think we're wayyyyy behind his 4b'ing range though.  He really 4b's this early with a range that doesn't have us destroyed?  We basically turn our hand into bluff catcher and are just going to be holding on the whole way with literally no idea where we're at.

Hang on. We can't be both wayyyyy behind his 4b'ing range and have no idea where we're at. ::) :D

FWIW, I think AK/AQ for a raise that small is a decent proportion of his range. AA/KK I'd expect to see at least 3,500 to induce a shove.

Indeed we can.  If his range includes say TT+ AQ+, then we might be good vs AK on this board, but you have literally no idea.  You're expecting him to tell you if you're good by his action, or lack there of OTT.  And fwiw, if this is me, when there's that much in the middle already there is no way I'm ever shutting down cause my story checks out.

I would have asked the player to clarify what his bet was rather than sought a ruling. This is why im held in high regard globally

I've heard it announced on the tannoy on more than one occasion that players 'should always state their stake fully' (hundreds thousands etc). Dtd obviously have this come up often and are clear where they stand on it. Nice river btw...

Tal in angle shoot shocker?

Lol yeah that's me.

If on the river you pretended to muck your cards, then shoved and offered the dealer a high five, then I think you played it well.

Surely the bet on the river should have been:

"Three...."

Jam river, Mr Angle of Angle Street, Angleton

I moved ages ago to the Angle, Islington.

Wasn't that where Juan Pablo Angle lived?

With Alan McManus

think we should flat pre here for sure

as played defo bet 3 lolol, and hope he spite raises you :)

in all seriousness, I'd bet about 2-2.5k max... we may get looked up by 99-JJ, and queen or ace high. We know he hasnt got much, dont see a reason to bet so big

Literally 0% he has queen high and is calling the river.