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[Tal]

This hand is kind of a novelty, so bear with me.

Super 50 side event of the SPT Nottingham. Blinds are 100/200. We have around 17k from our initial 15k starting stack. Villain has about 20k and is a competent live player.

Folded round to villain who has played probably c.30% of pots but has been aggressive when he has played. He is in the hijack and opens for 700, which is consistent with his opens so far in this level.

I look down at  and raise to 1600 on the button. I have a fairly tight image and have 3bet twice so far, once showing AK and the other time not showing. Villain 4bets to 2,600. I decide to call.

Flop comes    .  Pot 5500.

Villain now throws out a 5k chip and says "Three".

I ask the dealer how much he has bet and, at this point, the dealer twigs, calling the floor. Floor rules after a discussion that the bet is 300, as the blinds are 100/200. Villain is understandably not happy. He is given 4,700 change and 4500 of it is given to him in a single stack, which he leaves on the chip line.

I call.

Turn

Check check.

River 

(I know).

Now what?

[pokerfan]

What does he do ?

[PathFinder]

Haha. I was on the table when this happened I thought it was a little harsh on villian as his intentions were clear. I think what you did in this hand was pretty much spot on

[Tal]

Villain checks.

[edgascoigne]

If the 4500 is still on the betting line, that is what I am betting. Big, I know, but he's likely steamed and it's such a fun spot.

[Tal]

If the 4500 is still on the betting line, that is what I am betting. Big, I know, but he's likely steamed and it's such a fun spot.

[theprawnidentity]

Villain has about 20k and is a competent live player.

Villain now throws out a 5k chip and says "Three".

I ask the dealer how much he has bet and, at this point, the dealer twigs, calling the floor. Floor rules after a discussion that the bet is 300, as the blinds are 100/200.

I call.

 

[Tal]

Is there an argument for overbetting the pot?

The problem is he almost certainly doesn't have much - probably AceBig - and there's very little value to be gained from a huge bet. If he has 99-JJ, we could get a hero call, affected by the circumstances.

What I actually did is exactly what Gascoigne Jr did, exactly for the reasons Gascoigne Jr said. Scary. #TabsGottaTab

Interested to know the thoughts of others, though.

[Tal]

Tomsom, he quite clearly meant 3k and it's a mistake anyone could have made. By this point in the hand, it's a 4bet pot pre and it's such a bizarre situation to be ruled as a 300 bet.

If I had just thrown 3000 chips in and he had jammed, that would have been fun!

[PathFinder]

I think you should post a hand involving the old Greek guy tal lol!

[Tal]

I think you should post a hand involving the old Greek guy tal lol!

That might take a while and I'm not sure anyone would believe me.

[theprawnidentity]

Tomsom, he quite clearly meant 3k and it's a mistake anyone could have made. By this point in the hand, it's a 4bet pot pre and it's such a bizarre situation to be ruled as a 300 bet.

If I had just thrown 3000 chips in and he had jammed, that would have been fun!

I know  

Alright after having my episode of being a tit:

Don't think we have to 3b pre, and I'm not a fan of flatting the 4b at all.  Were certainly getting more than 20-1 implied on a call to the orignal raise (not that we are JUST set mining) & were in position.  Playing these tournaments I will be less inclined to want to tangle with someone aggro at this early stage and just small ball my way through the first few levels.  These tournaments play very much like a turbo MTT SNG and imo, pre ante, tight is right.  Absolutely no reason to go to war with an aggro player when we can make our lives so much easier by just flatting the button and playing a flop IP.

[PathFinder]

What you don't account for tomsom is that villian is going to get a poor decision from the floor and bet 300 into a 5k pot lol

[theprawnidentity]

What you don't account for tomsom is that villian is going to get a poor decision from the floor and bet 300 into a 5k pot lol

Its a good point well made!!!  I still think we're wayyyyy behind his 4b'ing range though.  He really 4b's this early with a range that doesn't have us destroyed?  We basically turn our hand into bluff catcher and are just going to be holding on the whole way with literally no idea where we're at.

[Tal]

What you don't account for tomsom is that villian is going to get a poor decision from the floor and bet 300 into a 5k pot lol

Its a good point well made!!!  I still think we're wayyyyy behind his 4b'ing range though.  He really 4b's this early with a range that doesn't have us destroyed?  We basically turn our hand into bluff catcher and are just going to be holding on the whole way with literally no idea where we're at.

Hang on. We can't be both wayyyyy behind his 4b'ing range and have no idea where we're at.

FWIW, I think AK/AQ for a raise that small is a decent proportion of his range. AA/KK I'd expect to see at least 3,500 to induce a shove.