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Title: Thoughts on Locking up profit & tightening range when playing cash..
Post by: BangBang on December 17, 2013, 04:18:47 PM

Okay I’m constantly doing this when I am on a time limit, so if the casino is closing or I have to leave at a certain time and I’m up a significant amount relative to my buy in, I tend to tighten my range and try to avoid high variance spots. Recently I got criticized on the 1-2 Omaha table at the Vic for doing this, I started playing at 8pm (Brought in for £150) and was planning on leaving at 10:30pm, so was always going to be a short stay, at 9.30pm I was up to £1300 so I tightened my range and played very few hands..

One of the guys at the table got annoyed and wanted me to leave, but told him my lift was coming at 10:30pm so I was playing until then…

Doesn’t really bother me what people say when I’m playing because I’m a recreational player and would have left at the same time, even if I was in for  £1k, but I can see how the pressure must get to some people..

Is it bad etiquette?

Thoughts…?

Note: I got to the Vic at 5pm, played 1-2 NLH until the PLO started..


Title: Re: Thoughts on Locking up profit & tightening range when playing cash..
Post by: pleno1 on December 17, 2013, 04:28:48 PM
It's all one long session. I like to know hat I always made good decisions. We're there to make good decisions and if we always make the best decisions then by the end of the year we will make more money than if we're taking 300 poor decisions to justify lower variance. Even if we lose 20 pound a decision that's 6000. Perhaps you make 3 decisions at the end of each night and now you have 900 decisions where you lot 20 pound in each one, that's a lot of mone!


Title: Re: Thoughts on Locking up profit & tightening range when playing cash..
Post by: doubleup on December 17, 2013, 04:42:22 PM

Your 650bbs deep - playing tight pre-flop isn't going to save you from being outplayed post-flop. 

If you want to lock up profit. leave the game.  If you don't want to play deep, leave the game.

If you are happy playing deep, you should play your normal game.


Title: Re: Thoughts on Locking up profit & tightening range when playing cash..
Post by: teamonkey on December 17, 2013, 04:48:23 PM
Could it not also be argued that the guy has a seat at a game, and he can play however he choses to??

he's a recreational player, having fun, and weather up or down has set himself a time limit due to a lift coming to get him

if a pro is complaining that someone is playing tight and it is affecting his own win rate then ul imo, find another table or sit quiet and be the "pro" you are meant to be.

i imagine if the OP was 3k in the hole and spewing every hand the other chap wouldnt be complaining about how he was playing


Title: Re: Thoughts on Locking up profit & tightening range when playing cash..
Post by: Pinchop73 on December 17, 2013, 04:53:34 PM
How on earth do you go about playing even tighter than the rocks at the vic? You saying your not even over limping along with everybody else?


Title: Re: Thoughts on Locking up profit & tightening range when playing cash..
Post by: BangBang on December 17, 2013, 04:56:00 PM
How on earth do you go about playing even tighter than the rocks at the vic?

The PLO is all recs that love to gamble, very few rocks in that game..
 :)

Your 650bbs deep - playing tight pre-flop isn't going to save you from being outplayed post-flop.  

If you want to lock up profit. leave the game.  If you don't want to play deep, leave the game.

If you are happy playing deep, you should play your normal game.

Playing deep isn't the question.. Locking up profit when on time constraints is..

Could it not also be argued that the guy has a seat at a game, and he can play however he choses to??

he's a recreational player, having fun, and weather up or down has set himself a time limit due to a lift coming to get him

if a pro is complaining that someone is playing tight and it is affecting his own win rate then ul imo, find another table or sit quiet and be the "pro" you are meant to be.

i imagine if the OP was 3k in the hole and spewing every hand the other chap wouldnt be complaining about how he was playing

Exactly..


Title: Re: Thoughts on Locking up profit & tightening range when playing cash..
Post by: doubleup on December 17, 2013, 05:08:44 PM

I don't understand - if you want to "lock up a profit" leave the game.  If you want to play deep, then play optimally.
 
If your point is actually does anyone think that the person who complained was out of order - then ok he was out of order.  But from a poker sense, I don't understand what you are trying to achieve.


Title: Re: Thoughts on Locking up profit & tightening range when playing cash..
Post by: BangBang on December 17, 2013, 05:16:58 PM
Same thing most recreational players do when they have just finished work and going to the casino for a few hours, "leisure time"

I should have said tightening my range not locking profit...

 


Title: Re: Thoughts on Locking up profit & tightening range when playing cash..
Post by: George2Loose on December 17, 2013, 05:19:02 PM
He wants to keep looking at 4 cards until his lift gets there but doesn't wanna lose 200 quid. I used to et annoyed by this too but do what u want. If the guy getting annoyed say "keep folding these unsuited aces, the suited ones will come soon I know it"


Title: Re: Thoughts on Locking up profit & tightening range when playing cash..
Post by: BangBang on December 17, 2013, 05:27:22 PM
It's all one long session. I like to know hat I always made good decisions. We're there to make good decisions and if we always make the best decisions then by the end of the year we will make more money than if we're taking 300 poor decisions to justify lower variance. Even if we lose 20 pound a decision that's 6000. Perhaps you make 3 decisions at the end of each night and now you have 900 decisions where you lot 20 pound in each one, that's a lot of mone!

Some solid advise right there... Never thought of it in that way.. Much more like a business way of thinking..

He wants to keep looking at 4 cards until his lift gets there but doesn't wanna lose 200 quid. I used to et annoyed by this too but do what u want. If the guy getting annoyed say "keep folding these unsuited aces, the suited ones will come soon I know it"

TBH I didn't mince my words when I responded to him...


Title: Re: Thoughts on Locking up profit & tightening range when playing cash..
Post by: celtic on December 17, 2013, 05:32:55 PM
Oioi, I've made it into another sig line :)

Re: the question. Do what you want innit. It's your money and your seat.

Not sure tho, as folding hands you would normally play, might be costing you money.


Title: Re: Thoughts on Locking up profit & tightening range when playing cash..
Post by: BangBang on December 17, 2013, 06:07:35 PM
Oioi, I've made it into another sig line :)

Re: the question. Do what you want innit. It's your money and your seat.

Not sure tho, as folding hands you would normally play, might be costing you money.

Fair point..


Title: Re: Thoughts on Locking up profit & tightening range when playing cash..
Post by: pleno1 on December 17, 2013, 06:09:55 PM
why dont you just go home?


Title: Re: Thoughts on Locking up profit & tightening range when playing cash..
Post by: celtic on December 17, 2013, 06:11:06 PM
why dont you just go home?

Lol, he's waiting for a lift at 10.30. Unless you mean stop playing and sit in the bar?


Title: Re: Thoughts on Locking up profit & tightening range when playing cash..
Post by: BangBang on December 17, 2013, 06:14:29 PM
why dont you just go home?

Lol, he's waiting for a lift at 10.30. Unless you mean stop playing and sit in the bar?
;iagree;
why dont you just go home?

I'm tightening my range not sitting out...??? Why would I just go home...?. Some people that have played Omaha with me; will confirm at this level my vpip is around 60% or something ridiculous, when I decide to tighten my range in Omaha (Not NLH) it's around 10% significant difference and also I'm not making high variance plays either...  



Title: Re: Thoughts on Locking up profit & tightening range when playing cash..
Post by: Longines on December 17, 2013, 06:23:23 PM

I'm tightening my range not sitting out...??? Why would I just go home...?. Some people that have played Omaha with me; will confirm at this level my vpip is 100%

fyp :)


Title: Re: Thoughts on Locking up profit & tightening range when playing cash..
Post by: polerization on December 17, 2013, 07:45:45 PM
why dont you just go home?

Lol, he's waiting for a lift at 10.30. Unless you mean stop playing and sit in the bar?
;iagree;
why dont you just go home?

I'm tightening my range not sitting out...??? Why would I just go home...?. Some people that have played Omaha with me; will confirm at this level my vpip is around 60% or something ridiculous, when I decide to tighten my range in Omaha (Not NLH) it's around 10% significant difference and also I'm not making high variance plays either...  

+could always make the nuts and just stack the moaning reg lol


Title: Re: Thoughts on Locking up profit & tightening range when playing cash..
Post by: youthnkzR on December 17, 2013, 09:04:38 PM
It's all one long session. I like to know hat I always made good decisions. We're there to make good decisions and if we always make the best decisions then by the end of the year we will make more money than if we're taking 300 poor decisions to justify lower variance. Even if we lose 20 pound a decision that's 6000. Perhaps you make 3 decisions at the end of each night and now you have 900 decisions where you lot 20 pound in each one, that's a lot of mone!

On a board of Q 10 7 4 10 rainbow - live - Patrick, holding K 10, is facing an all in bet on the river. 'I think you have pocket Queens sir but I call'!


Title: Re: Thoughts on Locking up profit & tightening range when playing cash..
Post by: CHIPPYMAN on December 18, 2013, 01:42:11 AM
It's all one long session. I like to know hat I always made good decisions. We're there to make good decisions and if we always make the best decisions then by the end of the year we will make more money than if we're taking 300 poor decisions to justify lower variance. Even if we lose 20 pound a decision that's 6000. Perhaps you make 3 decisions at the end of each night and now you have 900 decisions where you lot 20 pound in each one, that's a lot of mone!

On a board of Q 10 7 4 10 rainbow - live - Patrick, holding K 10, is facing an all in bet on the river. 'I think you have pocket Queens sir but I call'!


Good call sir !!


Title: Re: Thoughts on Locking up profit & tightening range when playing cash..
Post by: BangBang on December 18, 2013, 03:05:21 AM

I'm tightening my range not sitting out...??? Why would I just go home...?. Some people that have played Omaha with me; will confirm at this level my vpip is 100%

fyp :)


Lol... That was a good day  ;) ...


Title: Re: Thoughts on Locking up profit & tightening range when playing cash..
Post by: SuuPRlim on December 18, 2013, 03:06:15 AM
99/100 live poker players lock up when they get up decent (recs/pros/punters alike), I wish I did more often, so many times I've been up nicely and then gone for the kill and finished off down basically gambling with the guys who are stuck, then they have there money back now so they tighten up lol.

Don't listen to the people who tell you off for being locked up, it's like a 1/40 shot they would be locked up too, they are just grumpy when they are losing. You can play however you want whenever you want. You are leaving at 10.30 and up a bag and feel like you kinda wanna walk out a 1k winner then tighten up and play for an 45 more mins snug, it's entirely your decision, it's not bad etiquette at all.

It's actually one of my biggest tilts at live poker, people criticizing people who are winning for not gambling etc. let people play as they want, the other thing that really tilts me is in nearly every case of this the person moaning wouldn't be giving any action in the reversal.

Just be nice, friendly at the table and don't get involved in this stupid habbit of demanding action from certain people and you're doing it right in my books. I personally play a lot loser when I'm winning because I'm loving life, and get much tighter when I'm losing cos morale is low and I've got no momentum/a bad image etc. but that's me and everyone is different