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Title: Kobe Bryant Post by: tikay on January 26, 2020, 07:49:19 PM Rumours are circulating that Kobe Bryant was killed in a helicopter crash this morning. The original source was TZM, hardly known for being reliable, so I hope it's wrong. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: tikay on January 26, 2020, 07:50:47 PM Multiple sources are confirming his death, but most seem to be relying on the original source. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: tikay on January 26, 2020, 07:51:10 PM https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1221518852783210496?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: tikay on January 26, 2020, 07:55:40 PM It's all over Twitter, so much so that Twitter has broke. Twitter is over capacity. Please wait a few moments then try again. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: tikay on January 26, 2020, 07:57:40 PM SI are running the story now; Los Angeles Lakers legend Kobe Bryant was reportedly killed in a helicopter crash in California on Sunday morning. He was 41 years old. TMZ was the first to report that Bryant was among those on the helicopter when it went down in the hills of Calabasas and a fire broke out. The crash occurred before 10 a.m. and the fire made it difficult for firefighters and emergency personnel to get to the aircraft, according to The Los Angeles Times. ESPN, ABC and Variety also confirmed Bryant was on the helicopter. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: tikay on January 26, 2020, 08:16:10 PM Multiple sources confirming the news is true, & his Wiki page states he has died. I don't know enough about NBA to comment properly, & we'll have to wait for Argue to put proper perspective on this, but for sure he was one of the most successful & talented NBA players ever. I believe he spent his entire career with The Lakers. (http://i.imgur.com/Z2RLpei.jpg) (https://imgur.com/Z2RLpei) Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: AlbusFawkes on January 26, 2020, 10:21:57 PM Multiple sources confirming the news is true, & his Wiki page states he has died. I don't know enough about NBA to comment properly, & we'll have to wait for Argue to put proper perspective on this, but for sure he was one of the most successful & talented NBA players ever. I believe he spent his entire career with The Lakers. Yes - all at the Lakers. He was 3rd in overall points scorers until LeBron James overtook him this weekend. He tweeted his congratulations. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: Jon MW on January 27, 2020, 07:52:29 AM Multiple sources confirming the news is true, & his Wiki page states he has died. I don't know enough about NBA to comment properly, & we'll have to wait for Argue to put proper perspective on this, but for sure he was one of the most successful & talented NBA players ever. I believe he spent his entire career with The Lakers. Yes - all at the Lakers. He was 3rd in overall points scorers until LeBron James overtook him this weekend. He tweeted his congratulations. Also the US Dream Team for the Olympics (http://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/383841_10151144966626043_326832749_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ohc=fHMhOdaMyEcAX-S0zX-&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=f698690d3d2e9dd51caaf3a84ccea394&oe=5ED6C98B) This is from 2012 - I don't really know enough about the game to 'really' appreciate how well they played - but it looked good to me. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: teddybloat on January 27, 2020, 08:41:27 AM People comparing his death to 9/11, people receiving death threats for posting links to articles about him raping someone, journos getting cancelled for not conforming to the deification, people being doxxed for posting about his infidelities.
Have zero interest in basketball, but have heard of him. I have no idea of his standing in the game. Looking in from the outside it's the US equivalent of Diana. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: Sheriff Fatman on January 27, 2020, 09:35:52 AM Looking in from the outside it's the US equivalent of Diana. This was exactly how I described it to my wife when the news broke last night. I have zero interest in basketball, but had enough name recognition of Kobe to know how big a story this would be in the USA. The BBC didn't exactly cover themselves in glory reporting this last night, as the playing footage in their report was of LeBron James, for which they subsequently apologised. https://twitter.com/matthewchampion/status/1221557555652153344 Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: Doobs on January 27, 2020, 09:37:08 AM People comparing his death to 9/11, people receiving death threats for posting links to articles about him raping someone, journos getting cancelled for not conforming to the deification, people being doxxed for posting about his infidelities. Have zero interest in basketball, but have heard of him. I have no idea of his standing in the game. Looking in from the outside it's the US equivalent of Diana. I saw this morning that the BBC were "institutionally racist" because they had included shots of Lebron James in its report on his death. I get the picture had James on his back, but what proportion of Brits would be able to pick out Bryant in an identity parade of black NBA basketball players? I barely watch NBA and don't think I would have been able to 24 hours ago. Is your average news reader or producer at the BBC going to be any different? This is hardly Piers Morgan on Meghan Markle, again. FWIW the footage was of James beating his record the other day, so I guess the context was lost in the rush to get the report on the evening news. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: tikay on January 27, 2020, 09:51:29 AM People comparing his death to 9/11, people receiving death threats for posting links to articles about him raping someone, journos getting cancelled for not conforming to the deification, people being doxxed for posting about his infidelities. Have zero interest in basketball, but have heard of him. I have no idea of his standing in the game. Looking in from the outside it's the US equivalent of Diana. I saw this morning that the BBC were "institutionally racist" because they had included shots of Lebron James in its report on his death. I get the picture had James on his back, but what proportion of Brits would be able to pick out Bryant in an identity parade of black NBA basketball players? I barely watch NBA and don't think I would have been able to 24 hours ago. Is your average news reader or producer at the BBC going to be any different? This is hardly Piers Morgan on Meghan Markle, again. FWIW the footage was of James beating his record the other day, so I guess the context was lost in the rush to get the report on the evening news. Exactly that. It was the "script" that failed to synchronise with the footage, which was of Lebron beating Kobe's points tally the previous night, that was the point they were trying to make. It was a perfectly valid point to make but they did not execute it well. I was following it all on Twitter last night & the vitriol aimed at the BBC for being "institutionally racist" was hysterical. There was nothing racist about it, nothing at all. Twitter is, at the same time, both awful & wonderful. As to the general noise around his death, I'm like many others, I don't have a great interest in NBA or Kobe, but there is definitely something about the sudden death of major celebs or sportspeople that clicks a "oh my God" switch. I certainly never shed any tears, but it was certainly a wow moment. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: teddybloat on January 27, 2020, 10:08:19 AM re the james / kobe error.
i might be like most brits in that i know 5 basketball players: magic, shaq, kobe, curry and le bron when i saw kobe trending, in my head i had it as it was le bron james - as in the best player to be playing the game today had died. only when i googled him did i realise kobe had retired and it was le bron that was the current player. it sort of lessened the WTFery for me as it was a retired legend that had died. guess the equivalent would be the other ronaldo dying to an american in the red states. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: nirvana on January 27, 2020, 11:16:56 AM Abso incred response to the whole thing. People who obvs know nothing about basketball and didn't know who he was until yesterday saying 'tragic' etc. Stiff upper lips must be brought back into vogue.
Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: RED-DOG on January 27, 2020, 11:31:46 AM I saw this morning that the BBC were "institutionally racist" because they had included shots of Lebron James in its report on his death. I am a bold advocate for equality, but the BBC, like most media outlets, are very quick to jump on the bandwagon when someone is accused of being racist, misogynistic, homophobic etc when in truth it is often just a genuine mistake or badly chosen words. He who lives by the sword.... Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: Doobs on January 27, 2020, 01:53:29 PM I saw this morning that the BBC were "institutionally racist" because they had included shots of Lebron James in its report on his death. I am a bold advocate for equality, but the BBC, like most media outlets, are very quick to jump on the bandwagon when someone is accused of being racist, misogynistic, homophobic etc when in truth it is often just a genuine mistake or badly chosen words. He who lives by the sword.... Isn't a better response to criticise those occasions where "the BBC" has been too quick to jump on the bandwagon? Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: RED-DOG on January 27, 2020, 02:01:49 PM I saw this morning that the BBC were "institutionally racist" because they had included shots of Lebron James in its report on his death. I am a bold advocate for equality, but the BBC, like most media outlets, are very quick to jump on the bandwagon when someone is accused of being racist, misogynistic, homophobic etc when in truth it is often just a genuine mistake or badly chosen words. He who lives by the sword.... Isn't a better response to criticise those occasions where "the BBC" has been too quick to jump on the bandwagon? Good point, but I don't think one precludes the other. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: arbboy on January 27, 2020, 04:21:52 PM I wasn't Kobe's biggest fan but obviously its a terrible event that has happened. I am truly amazed at the media response in the UK to a sportsman that surely at least 90% of the UK population will have never have heard of and a sport 90%+ of the population have never watched as the BBC coverage showed albeit somewhat embarrassing. IMO he wasn't even the best player on the Lakers team that he won the majority of his titles on and his ego because of wanting to be the main man caused him and Shaq to split at their peaks after winning three straight titles. There are other things about him that i wasn't a fan of as well but now probably isn't the time or place. One thing you couldn't question was his drive and professionalism on the court and conditioning wise and getting every ounce of talent out of his body and mind. For that he was as good as anyone in NBA history. I just don't have him as high up the all time list of NBA players as a lot of Kobe fan boys do. Social media/ego driven darling for me at the very top level. He was the Ronaldo of the NBA whilst Tim Duncan in the same era was the Messi type. If Tim Duncan had died in the same crash i doubt whether it would even have made the news in the UK.
Who is Tim Duncan i hear 99% of you ask? The ultimate GIQ sportsman who on paper had a very similar career to Kobe in so many ways. Five NBA titles (he was the undisputed best player on the team for at least 4 of them and they went 1.01 in running to win a sixth title but for a miracle 3 pointer from Ray Allen one year to give Lebron one of his titles), one club for life 19 seasons, first ballot hall of famer. Probably the best player to ever play his position. Selfless. Always about the team and winning without a zero ounce of the me me me attitude most modern days sports superstars have. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Duncan Just in case you are interested in the GIQ player of Kobe's generation. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: arbboy on January 27, 2020, 05:06:27 PM Trying to imagine how the UK media would react to a NFL or MLB all time great dying of a similar standing to Kobe. Just can't imagine even if Tom Brady died (who is the pretty much undisputed GOAT of the NFL) if the UK media response would be as over the top as this has been.
Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: RED-DOG on January 29, 2020, 06:22:38 PM I saw this morning that the BBC were "institutionally racist" because they had included shots of Lebron James in its report on his death. I am a bold advocate for equality, but the BBC, like most media outlets, are very quick to jump on the bandwagon when someone is accused of being racist, misogynistic, homophobic etc when in truth it is often just a genuine mistake or badly chosen words. He who lives by the sword.... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7943667/Alastair-Stewart-steps-ITV-News-presenting-duties.html Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: arbboy on January 29, 2020, 08:20:20 PM another old school dinosaur ruins his final salary pension after 44 years. Why do they do it? I suppose you have to be Tikay's age to understand their mind set haha!
Why does any agent of a 60+ tv prsenting dinosaur allow them to have social media? These boys just fuck up far too often without meaning to but show their true colours. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: StuartHopkin on January 30, 2020, 09:18:48 AM another old school dinosaur ruins his final salary pension after 44 years. Why do they do it? I suppose you have to be Tikay's age to understand their mind set haha! Why does any agent of a 60+ tv prsenting dinosaur allow them to have social media? These boys just fuck up far too often without meaning to but show their true colours. Too be fair, I would assume his pension is intact and he had been paid a chunk to go as it would be hard to sack him for what actually happened. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: RED-DOG on January 30, 2020, 09:34:48 AM another old school dinosaur ruins his final salary pension after 44 years. Why do they do it? I suppose you have to be Tikay's age to understand their mind set haha! Why does any agent of a 60+ tv prsenting dinosaur allow them to have social media? These boys just fuck up far too often without meaning to but show their true colours. Too be fair, I would assume his pension is intact and he had been paid a chunk to go as it would be hard to sack him for what actually happened. Do you think he used the gorilla quote because the man was black Stu? Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: marcro on January 30, 2020, 09:58:53 AM another old school dinosaur ruins his final salary pension after 44 years. Why do they do it? I suppose you have to be Tikay's age to understand their mind set haha! Why does any agent of a 60+ tv prsenting dinosaur allow them to have social media? These boys just fuck up far too often without meaning to but show their true colours. Too be fair, I would assume his pension is intact and he had been paid a chunk to go as it would be hard to sack him for what actually happened. Do you think he used the gorilla quote because the man was black Stu? Would it be an issue if the person who was offended was white? Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: StuartHopkin on January 30, 2020, 10:46:38 AM another old school dinosaur ruins his final salary pension after 44 years. Why do they do it? I suppose you have to be Tikay's age to understand their mind set haha! Why does any agent of a 60+ tv prsenting dinosaur allow them to have social media? These boys just fuck up far too often without meaning to but show their true colours. Too be fair, I would assume his pension is intact and he had been paid a chunk to go as it would be hard to sack him for what actually happened. No, I don't at all to be honest. But it was more a HR based comment, than whether he was guilty/innocent. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: Marky147 on February 01, 2020, 05:16:25 AM YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRqUuS3H__w
Before the game tonight. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: du pont on May 25, 2020, 09:07:42 AM I wasn't Kobe's biggest fan but obviously its a terrible event that has happened. I am truly amazed at the media response in the UK to a sportsman that surely at least 90% of the UK population will have never have heard of and a sport 90%+ of the population have never watched as the BBC coverage showed albeit somewhat embarrassing. IMO he wasn't even the best player on the Lakers team that he won the majority of his titles on and his ego because of wanting to be the main man caused him and Shaq to split at their peaks after winning three straight titles. There are other things about him that i wasn't a fan of as well but now probably isn't the time or place. One thing you couldn't question was his drive and professionalism on the court and conditioning wise and getting every ounce of talent out of his body and mind. For that he was as good as anyone in NBA history. I just don't have him as high up the all time list of NBA players as a lot of Kobe fan boys do. Social media/ego driven darling for me at the very top level. He was the Ronaldo of the NBA whilst Tim Duncan in the same era was the Messi type. If Tim Duncan had died in the same crash i doubt whether it would even have made the news in the UK. Who is Tim Duncan i hear 99% of you ask? The ultimate GIQ sportsman who on paper had a very similar career to Kobe in so many ways. Five NBA titles (he was the undisputed best player on the team for at least 4 of them and they went 1.01 in running to win a sixth title but for a miracle 3 pointer from Ray Allen one year to give Lebron one of his titles), one club for life 19 seasons, first ballot hall of famer. Probably the best player to ever play his position. Selfless. Always about the team and winning without a zero ounce of the me me me attitude most modern days sports superstars have. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Duncan Just in case you are interested in the GIQ player of Kobe's generation. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: du pont on May 25, 2020, 09:17:33 AM I wasn't Kobe's biggest fan but obviously its a terrible event that has happened. I am truly amazed at the media response in the UK to a sportsman that surely at least 90% of the UK population will have never have heard of and a sport 90%+ of the population have never watched as the BBC coverage showed albeit somewhat embarrassing. IMO he wasn't even the best player on the Lakers team that he won the majority of his titles on and his ego because of wanting to be the main man caused him and Shaq to split at their peaks after winning three straight titles. There are other things about him that i wasn't a fan of as well but now probably isn't the time or place. One thing you couldn't question was his drive and professionalism on the court and conditioning wise and getting every ounce of talent out of his body and mind. For that he was as good as anyone in NBA history. I just don't have him as high up the all time list of NBA players as a lot of Kobe fan boys do. Social media/ego driven darling for me at the very top level. He was the Ronaldo of the NBA whilst Tim Duncan in the same era was the Messi type. If Tim Duncan had died in the same crash i doubt whether it would even have made the news in the UK. Who is Tim Duncan i hear 99% of you ask? The ultimate GIQ sportsman who on paper had a very similar career to Kobe in so many ways. Five NBA titles (he was the undisputed best player on the team for at least 4 of them and they went 1.01 in running to win a sixth title but for a miracle 3 pointer from Ray Allen one year to give Lebron one of his titles), one club for life 19 seasons, first ballot hall of famer. Probably the best player to ever play his position. Selfless. Always about the team and winning without a zero ounce of the me me me attitude most modern days sports superstars have. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Duncan Just in case you are interested in the GIQ player of Kobe's generation. Arbboy, I,m currently watching The Last Dance on Netflix. I don’t know a lot about NBA but I’m enjoying the series. Is Jordan the GOAT? How good were Pippen and Rodman? Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: arbboy on May 25, 2020, 10:47:07 AM MJ for me is the clear GOAT and i don't think Lebron is the clear cut second everyone likes to make out. He probably is and will be once he has retired but he isn't in the same league as MJ when it comes to closing games out.
Pippen - one of the most underrated players in history for me. His game would have been even more deadly in the modern era because of his flexibility to defend all five positions. One of the greatest all round defenders the game has ever seen. Great ball handler for his height in that era which was rare and could score in a number of different ways. The perfect foil for MJ to do all the dirty work defensively for him on the other teams best player. MJ was still an all time great defender in his own right but could save his energy so many games for the offensive end where no one could stop him. Rodman - Rodman is a true one off in NBA history. Arguably the best rebounder ever pound for pound. 6'8' 230lbs in that ultra physical big men era to constantly lead the league in rebounds by the margins he did was incredible. Like pippen also an all time top 10 defender who could and did guard players of all positions. People forget Rodman was a key part of the physical Pistons side in 1988-90 that stopped a young MJ in his tracks from reaching the finals. Rodman literally had zero offense though and actually detested that side of the game. Between the three of them you had one of the most versatile and effective defensive units ever built. With the greatest scorer in history at the other end they were truly upstoppable. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: marcro on May 25, 2020, 10:49:08 AM MJ for me is the clear GOAT and i don't think Lebron is the clear cut second everyone likes to make out. He probably is and will be once he has retired but he isn't in the same league as MJ when it comes to closing games out. Pippen - one of the most underrated players in history for me. His game would have been even more deadly in the modern era because of his flexibility to defend all five positions. One of the greatest all round defenders the game has ever seen. Great ball handler for his height in that era which was rare and could score in a number of different ways. The perfect foil for MJ to do all the dirty work defensively for him on the other teams best player. MJ was still an all time great defender in his own right but could save his energy so many games for the offensive end where no one could stop him. Rodman - Rodman is a true one off in NBA history. Arguably the best rebounder ever pound for pound. 6'8' 230lbs in that ultra physical big men era to constantly lead the league in rebounds by the margins he did was incredible. Like pippen also an all time top 10 defender who could and did guard players of all positions. People forget Rodman was a key part of the physical Pistons side in 1988-90 that stopped a young MJ in his tracks from reaching the finals. Rodman literally had zero offense though and actually detested that side of the game. Between the three of them you had one of the most versatile and effective defensive units ever built. With the greatest scorer in history at the other end they were truly upstoppable. Jordan, Pippen and Rodman - Chicago's holy trinity! I agree with all the above. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: arbboy on May 25, 2020, 11:13:46 AM MJ pippen and Horace Grant in the first 1991-3 3peat wasn't a bad line up either. Grant never got the credit he deserved in those teams. The one thing that come out of the whole thing which i didn't know at the time being a kid and loving the sport rather than the business side of it was how team friendly pippen's contract was for 7 years because he wanted that security for his family from an early point in his career. Similar to the crazy advantages Golden State have had in their recent run salary cap wise having Curry on a third of the max contract for the first half of their run because of his early ankle issues when he signed his long term year then picking up Durant as a free agent when the salary cap spiked with a huge new tv deal. Lot of these super teams are the work of the suits tbh bending the cap rules to the max and/or just good fortune on how contracts work out together.
Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: du pont on May 25, 2020, 01:19:12 PM MJ for me is the clear GOAT and i don't think Lebron is the clear cut second everyone likes to make out. He probably is and will be once he has retired but he isn't in the same league as MJ when it comes to closing games out. Pippen - one of the most underrated players in history for me. His game would have been even more deadly in the modern era because of his flexibility to defend all five positions. One of the greatest all round defenders the game has ever seen. Great ball handler for his height in that era which was rare and could score in a number of different ways. The perfect foil for MJ to do all the dirty work defensively for him on the other teams best player. MJ was still an all time great defender in his own right but could save his energy so many games for the offensive end where no one could stop him. Rodman - Rodman is a true one off in NBA history. Arguably the best rebounder ever pound for pound. 6'8' 230lbs in that ultra physical big men era to constantly lead the league in rebounds by the margins he did was incredible. Like pippen also an all time top 10 defender who could and did guard players of all positions. People forget Rodman was a key part of the physical Pistons side in 1988-90 that stopped a young MJ in his tracks from reaching the finals. Rodman literally had zero offense though and actually detested that side of the game. Thanks mate, it looks that way to me ‘as a novice’. I didn’t realise how skilful these guys where. Amazing athletes. Between the three of them you had one of the most versatile and effective defensive units ever built. With the greatest scorer in history at the other end they were truly upstoppable. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: arbboy on May 25, 2020, 02:38:00 PM If it wasn't for MJ and the Bulls Karl Malone and John Stockton would probably both have multiple titles and would both be considered way higher on the all time lists than they are without a title. Same for Utah's legendary coach Sloan who is never discussed who recently passed away who was also one of the best ever coaches.
All 3 of them are, like P ippen, underrated all time wise because they never won a title. Their longevity as a trio was incredible. All three brought it every single night for nearly 2 decades in an era where rotation and resting wasn't the done thing. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: stribling on May 25, 2020, 08:55:41 PM Who's in your top 10 Arb?
Also how good was Larry Bird, see his name mentioned alot by MJ in the show. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: kukushkin88 on May 25, 2020, 09:10:35 PM Who's in your top 10 Arb? Also how good was Larry Bird, see his name mentioned alot by MJ in the show. I don’t know the game nearly as well as Arb but as sportsmen go, he had something special both in talent and personality: https://youtu.be/Uz-Dy89W4HM (https://youtu.be/Uz-Dy89W4HM) Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: arbboy on May 26, 2020, 12:31:57 AM https://www.espn.co.uk/nba/story/_/id/29105801/ranking-top-74-nba-players-all-nos-10-1
espn just run this list during the MJ espn docu the other week. I will have a think about my top 10 all time but i will only included larry/magic era (1985 onwards) because i can't really comment on prior to that. Regarding Larry Bird. I have him similar to pippen in that he would have been EVEN better in the modern game with his ability to shoot 3's from anywhere in an era when the 3 point shot wasn't taking seriously he used to shoot 500 of them before he had his breakfast every day alongside 500 free throws legend has it. He was 25 years ahead of his time the way he played with very limited athletic talent relative to other all time greats. His will to win was just incredible. Pretty sure he was the first (or one of the first members) of the very elite and highly exclusive 50/40/90 shooting club where a player went the whole season shooting 50% from the field/40% from 3 and 90% from the free throw line. Pretty sure Steph curry did 50/45/90 or got super close in his MVP season a few years ago. the 50/40/90 club has very few members all time. Larry and Magic made the nba what it is today in the glory era of the 1980s and the lakers/celtics decade long rivalry. Before them the nba was in such a state the nba finals wasn't even shown live on national tv. MJ and the dream team in 1992 just took the nba to another level globally on court and sponsorship wise off it selling nike trainers. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: arbboy on May 26, 2020, 01:00:03 AM Who's in your top 10 Arb? Also how good was Larry Bird, see his name mentioned alot by MJ in the show. I don’t know the game nearly as well as Arb but as sportsmen go, he had something special both in talent and personality: https://youtu.be/Uz-Dy89W4HM (https://youtu.be/Uz-Dy89W4HM) That is a superb highliights reel. I seen most of them but never heard of the game he played left handed and still scored 27 points on a quality defender! That's insane. He could talk trash with the very best of them as well and back it right up. My personal two fav bird moments are on that video. The first 3 point shooting competition when he looks around and asks 'who is coming second?' then torches everyone in sight. 6'9 guys didn't shoot 3's in the 1980s very often. The second one was the over the backboard shot he made in a game which is now banned because of Larry's cheek of even attempting it and making it. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: arbboy on May 26, 2020, 01:49:08 PM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxf4RzocHN8
Another great larry video if you got a spare 20 mins. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: arbboy on May 26, 2020, 05:23:36 PM My top 15 1985-2200 is as follows:
1 - MJ 2 - Lebron 3 - Tim Duncan 4= Magic 4= Larry 6 - Shaq 7 - Hakeem Olajuwon 8 - Steph Curry 9 - Kevin Durant 10 - Kobe 11= Karl Malone 11=John Stockton 13 - Pippen 14 - Dirk Nowitzki 15 - Kevin Garnett So hard to place relative youngsters like 'the greek freak', Kawhi Leonard, James Harden on this list as they still have so long left in their careers to go. Curry and Durant are similar ages but are just different class to these three on achievements so far. The greek freak could easily end up as number 2 or 3 on this list in 10 years time. Harden and Leonard are much more exposed and probably found their level all time already just outside this list unless more titles and individual awards appear in the future. Honourable mentions of retired guys i loved but not quite good enough to make the top 15. Dwayne Wade and Sir Charles Barkley. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: Karabiner on May 26, 2020, 05:51:10 PM My top 15 1985-2200 is as follows: 1 - MJ 2 - Lebron 3 - Tim Duncan 4= Magic 4= Larry 6 - Shaq 7 - Hakeem Olajuwon 8 - Steph Curry 9 - Kevin Durant 10 - Kobe 11= Karl Malone 11=John Stockton 13 - Pippen 14 - Dirk Nowitzki 15 - Kevin Garnett So hard to place relative youngsters like 'the greek freak', Kawhi Leonard, James Harden on this list as they still have so long left in their careers to go. Curry and Durant are similar ages but are just different class to these three on achievements so far. The greek freak could easily end up as number 2 or 3 on this list in 10 years time. Harden and Leonard are much more exposed and probably found their level all time already just outside this list unless more titles and individual awards appear in the future. Honourable mentions of retired guys i loved but not quite good enough to make the top 15. Dwayne Wade and Sir Charles Barkley. When did Kareem A-J retire? I remember him being the dominant player in my youth. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: arbboy on May 26, 2020, 05:55:30 PM My top 15 1985-2200 is as follows: 1 - MJ 2 - Lebron 3 - Tim Duncan 4= Magic 4= Larry 6 - Shaq 7 - Hakeem Olajuwon 8 - Steph Curry 9 - Kevin Durant 10 - Kobe 11= Karl Malone 11=John Stockton 13 - Pippen 14 - Dirk Nowitzki 15 - Kevin Garnett So hard to place relative youngsters like 'the greek freak', Kawhi Leonard, James Harden on this list as they still have so long left in their careers to go. Curry and Durant are similar ages but are just different class to these three on achievements so far. The greek freak could easily end up as number 2 or 3 on this list in 10 years time. Harden and Leonard are much more exposed and probably found their level all time already just outside this list unless more titles and individual awards appear in the future. Honourable mentions of retired guys i loved but not quite good enough to make the top 15. Dwayne Wade and Sir Charles Barkley. When did Kareem A-J retire? I remember him being the dominant player in my youth. He retired in the late 1980s after a 20 year career. His peak was the 1970s/early 80s so i discounted him from my lifetime list as he was before my time pretty much. He was the cut off point. Still the all time total points scorer in NBA history to this day. Will be interesting to see if Lebron can play long enough at a high enough level to catch him. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: Karabiner on May 26, 2020, 06:46:15 PM My top 15 1985-2200 is as follows: 1 - MJ 2 - Lebron 3 - Tim Duncan 4= Magic 4= Larry 6 - Shaq 7 - Hakeem Olajuwon 8 - Steph Curry 9 - Kevin Durant 10 - Kobe 11= Karl Malone 11=John Stockton 13 - Pippen 14 - Dirk Nowitzki 15 - Kevin Garnett So hard to place relative youngsters like 'the greek freak', Kawhi Leonard, James Harden on this list as they still have so long left in their careers to go. Curry and Durant are similar ages but are just different class to these three on achievements so far. The greek freak could easily end up as number 2 or 3 on this list in 10 years time. Harden and Leonard are much more exposed and probably found their level all time already just outside this list unless more titles and individual awards appear in the future. Honourable mentions of retired guys i loved but not quite good enough to make the top 15. Dwayne Wade and Sir Charles Barkley. When did Kareem A-J retire? I remember him being the dominant player in my youth. He retired in the late 1980s after a 20 year career. His peak was the 1970s/early 80s so i discounted him from my lifetime list as he was before my time pretty much. He was the cut off point. Still the all time total points scorer in NBA history to this day. Will be interesting to see if Lebron can play long enough at a high enough level to catch him. I remember KAJ had this move from the side where he would feint one way and turn back before usually finding the net. He used to do this literally dozens of times every game and everyone knew he was going to do it but it was so convincing everybody always bought the move. I lack the correct words to describe it but I'm sure you understand. Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: arbboy on May 26, 2020, 06:58:39 PM My top 15 1985-2200 is as follows: 1 - MJ 2 - Lebron 3 - Tim Duncan 4= Magic 4= Larry 6 - Shaq 7 - Hakeem Olajuwon 8 - Steph Curry 9 - Kevin Durant 10 - Kobe 11= Karl Malone 11=John Stockton 13 - Pippen 14 - Dirk Nowitzki 15 - Kevin Garnett So hard to place relative youngsters like 'the greek freak', Kawhi Leonard, James Harden on this list as they still have so long left in their careers to go. Curry and Durant are similar ages but are just different class to these three on achievements so far. The greek freak could easily end up as number 2 or 3 on this list in 10 years time. Harden and Leonard are much more exposed and probably found their level all time already just outside this list unless more titles and individual awards appear in the future. Honourable mentions of retired guys i loved but not quite good enough to make the top 15. Dwayne Wade and Sir Charles Barkley. When did Kareem A-J retire? I remember him being the dominant player in my youth. He retired in the late 1980s after a 20 year career. His peak was the 1970s/early 80s so i discounted him from my lifetime list as he was before my time pretty much. He was the cut off point. Still the all time total points scorer in NBA history to this day. Will be interesting to see if Lebron can play long enough at a high enough level to catch him. I remember KAJ had this move from the side where he would feint one way and turn back before usually finding the net. He used to do this literally dozens of times every game and everyone knew he was going to do it but it was so convincing everybody always bought the move. I lack the correct words to describe it but I'm sure you understand. He pretty much invented the sky hook which with his arm length was undefendable. Think thats what you are referring to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPcniUfKRlU Title: Re: Kobe Bryant Post by: Karabiner on May 26, 2020, 07:23:01 PM My top 15 1985-2200 is as follows: 1 - MJ 2 - Lebron 3 - Tim Duncan 4= Magic 4= Larry 6 - Shaq 7 - Hakeem Olajuwon 8 - Steph Curry 9 - Kevin Durant 10 - Kobe 11= Karl Malone 11=John Stockton 13 - Pippen 14 - Dirk Nowitzki 15 - Kevin Garnett So hard to place relative youngsters like 'the greek freak', Kawhi Leonard, James Harden on this list as they still have so long left in their careers to go. Curry and Durant are similar ages but are just different class to these three on achievements so far. The greek freak could easily end up as number 2 or 3 on this list in 10 years time. Harden and Leonard are much more exposed and probably found their level all time already just outside this list unless more titles and individual awards appear in the future. Honourable mentions of retired guys i loved but not quite good enough to make the top 15. Dwayne Wade and Sir Charles Barkley. When did Kareem A-J retire? I remember him being the dominant player in my youth. He retired in the late 1980s after a 20 year career. His peak was the 1970s/early 80s so i discounted him from my lifetime list as he was before my time pretty much. He was the cut off point. Still the all time total points scorer in NBA history to this day. Will be interesting to see if Lebron can play long enough at a high enough level to catch him. I remember KAJ had this move from the side where he would feint one way and turn back before usually finding the net. He used to do this literally dozens of times every game and everyone knew he was going to do it but it was so convincing everybody always bought the move. I lack the correct words to describe it but I'm sure you understand. He pretty much invented the sky hook which with his arm length was undefendable. Think thats what you are referring to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPcniUfKRlU Not that, but I do remember being educated about the sky-hook and other throws by a neighbour of mine who was a Celtics fanatic. He would be on or near the base-line(?) with his back to the net usually on the right near the 3-point line and pretend to turn inside to his left(an almost impossible angle) then having sold the dummy to the defender turn back to his right and throw for the basket. You won't have to watch his h/l for long to see this move. |