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Title: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: booder on March 14, 2006, 11:51:15 AM
10 PM  TONIGHT ON SKY SPORTS 2

        THE FINAL



PHIL  LAAK

PASCAL  PERRAULT

LIAM  FLOOD

RAM  VASWANI

KEN  LENNAARD

GREG  HILL

SEAN  MURPHY

ROY  BRINDLEY


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Acidmouse on March 14, 2006, 12:02:47 PM
I really am looking forward to this!


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: mikee_j on March 14, 2006, 12:51:23 PM
sean murphy? is that the snooker player, or am i thinking of someone else?


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: booder on March 14, 2006, 12:55:57 PM
sean murphy? is that the snooker player, or am i thinking of someone else?

no , its not the snooker player
this sean murphy is an older gentleman..........very quiet and plays very tight          ;)


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Sark79 on March 14, 2006, 03:48:46 PM
I will be using every tactic I know, to get the football fans away from the TV tonight.  This looks good


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Junior Senior on March 14, 2006, 04:22:34 PM
can't wait....honest.

look out for the young lad from Notts who couldn't fold a piece of paper if it was offering 2 to 1 on a flush draw.   :D


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: booder on March 14, 2006, 09:53:42 PM
BUMP


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Gamblor21 on March 14, 2006, 09:59:13 PM
Cannot wait for this!!!

Will be fantastic... bring on the bluffs!


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Jim-D on March 14, 2006, 10:02:11 PM
Anybody know what the pay structure for this is?


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Colchester Kev on March 14, 2006, 10:02:55 PM
I am running a book for this, anyone want a bet ??


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: RFC on March 14, 2006, 10:04:38 PM
I am running a book for this, anyone want a bet ??

I'll put £100 on that i dont win  :D


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Colchester Kev on March 14, 2006, 10:08:21 PM
LOL  you gotta be in it to win it ;)


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Gamblor21 on March 14, 2006, 10:13:44 PM
I'll have a bet!!!

Maybe even a forcast...


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Scottish Dave on March 14, 2006, 10:15:48 PM
£10 on junior


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Colchester Kev on March 14, 2006, 10:16:22 PM
in the smallprint, it states    "no bets will be accepted by blokes who drive a girls car and have poofy hairdo's and live in teeside"   sorry mate


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Scottish Dave on March 14, 2006, 10:16:44 PM
wow its a 3 hour jobbie tonight


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Colchester Kev on March 14, 2006, 10:17:16 PM
£10 on junior

22/1 ok on that £10 dave ??


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Scottish Dave on March 14, 2006, 10:22:21 PM
magic, thats £220 extra for this weekend!

BTW are you coming up mate, i hope so!


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Colchester Kev on March 14, 2006, 10:23:46 PM
Unfortunately it is looking very very doubtful mate.... :( :(


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Scottish Dave on March 14, 2006, 10:25:58 PM
Can i get my money back from that bet mate


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Gamblor21 on March 14, 2006, 10:26:31 PM
ahhhhhhh Greg!!!

Was nasty that, i know you'll be kicking yourself...


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Colchester Kev on March 14, 2006, 10:34:30 PM
LOL sorry ... no refunds ...    did greg ask if he could rebuy ??


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: bobby1 on March 14, 2006, 11:10:39 PM
AA v AA...online is much more reallistic.... 8)


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Sark79 on March 15, 2006, 11:17:06 AM
I just watched this on SKY.

Great result for Phil Laak. He was abit lucky though, I think even he would admit that much.

But for me the winner was Roy Brindley.

I thought the attitude he presented in his interview was great. He realised that he is very fortunate to do what he does for a living. Most people can only dream of doing something they love for a job.

One thing that I hate about poker is inflated ego's. Almost every show I watch there is some arrogant git ( Hellmuth, ect ) complaining about only winning $200,000.  >:? :( :( . I hate to see that. Atleast Roy Brindly realises that £65,000 is a serious amount of cash. That is the sort of money that pays the rent and puts food on the table. And he also realises that he won it playing a game that he enjoys.

 There are people who have proper ( vital jobs for the running of the country )  jobs like firemen and nurses who never see that kind of money. I thought his attitude was great. He showed he had true class and didn't have the same ego alot of the others have.

On the Blondite profiles section, there is a question " what do you hate about poker".  I now know my answer to this. 

1. Inflated ego's and not being able to realise being a pro is a lucky position to be in.

2. Wasting the money won on stupid bets. Maybey it is the lack of a desire I have to gamble, I am not sure. But when I see alot of the poker magazines profiling the big stars of poker. Amirilo Slim betting $200,000 on a game of golf, Huck Seed betting someone he can perform a backflip or Doyle Brunson betting a crazy amount of money that he can lose some weight.  Who cares?  ....   What absolute prats if you ask me. This sort of stuff does nothing for me to be honest. I hate gambling.  What is big about betting money just to look flash. Why not give it to a charity instead if you have that sort of cash to throw around.

Don't get me wrong. Being a Pro player is a dream I share with almost everyone on Blonde. But, I just don't have the gambling or addictive part of the character alot of the so called big names do.  I have yet to meet someone, who can explain why betting on something you have no control over is clever or fun. For me earning that sort of money would mean, I could pay the rent, put food on the table and support all the animal charities my heart would desire.

I thought Roy Brindley was a gent.  I wish there were more like him in poker.

Ok, thats my complaint over.. 


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Junior Senior on March 15, 2006, 03:55:05 PM
ahhhhhhh Greg!!!

Was nasty that, i know you'll be kicking yourself...

there isnt a day goes by that i dont give myself a kick for that call and the way in general that i played that hand.


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Mr F on March 15, 2006, 03:58:13 PM
For us ignorants who don't have Sky and missed it, what happened?


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Sark79 on March 15, 2006, 04:08:00 PM
1. Laak
2. Ram
3. Roy Brindley


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Mr F on March 15, 2006, 08:30:07 PM
Sorry Sark, I meant what happened with Junior??


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: snoopy1239 on March 15, 2006, 08:31:38 PM
This really has been one of the best series so far.

8 handed is sooooooooo much better.


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: turny on March 15, 2006, 10:34:26 PM
agree with sark here, roy brindley was the best player and a true genuine guy.

mr laak was very lucky whilst ram lost a few vital pots late on when it mattred after hitting everything early.

bye the way junior unlucky wouldve been a tough laydown.


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: The Truth on March 15, 2006, 10:40:16 PM
Phil Laak is one hell of a nice guy (surprised me) and wonderful company. ram is just a top bloke, simple as that. Goes to show good guys can come first (and 2nd).


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Sark79 on March 15, 2006, 11:00:20 PM
I am sure the others are nice guys as well.

But it is nice to see a guy like Roy Brindley do well.  Most of the other poker shows I have seen, are filled with people wrapped up with their own importance. Look at some of the WPT and WSOP players. They are so arrogant. It is great to see a guy who actually seems to realise he is in a fortunate position.


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: ifm on March 15, 2006, 11:01:52 PM
Will somebody post Jubiors exit hand please?


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: The Truth on March 15, 2006, 11:21:45 PM
I am sure the others are nice guys as well.

But it is nice to see a guy like Roy Brindley do well.  Most of the other poker shows I have seen, are filled with people wrapped up with their own importance. Look at some of the WPT and WSOP players. They are so arrogant. It is great to see a guy who actually seems to realise he is in a fortunate position.

There is a danger here of labelling somebody because of the way you perceive them on TV. We have a tendancy to believe what we are presented with by the TV companies. For sure there are arrogant p****s at all levels of poker, however it is not always easy to distinguish who they are after the editors cut. One or two players spring to mind who are really decent people however their own natural shyness coupled with heavy handed TV editing have appeared somewhat arrogant. Guess this is just a downside of the increased media expossure some players have to deal with.


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Sark79 on March 15, 2006, 11:40:37 PM
 ;iagree;


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Junior Senior on March 16, 2006, 07:14:22 AM
Sorry Sark, I meant what happened with Junior??

i went out 8th - made what i thought was the right call at the time against Ram but on reflection the damage was already done in the previous betting rounds - i played it terribly on the flop and turn and didnt even think about trying to escape on the river - i played too fast, too loose and got what i deserved. - sometimes you just lose composure and play bad. - the exit hand was irrelevant - it was this big hand versus Ram that effecively knocked me out. - - now please...... no more questions  :D


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: ripple11 on March 16, 2006, 10:31:54 AM

 Great to watch.... Tuesday night( caught the last hour).....saw the middle part yesterday (lunchtime in the Gym!)....and then the start( last night).

 Thank goodness for repeats!


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Sark79 on March 16, 2006, 02:01:57 PM
Sorry Junior,

 I only actually saw the last three players.

Better luck next time   :)up


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: portfolio on March 16, 2006, 03:37:38 PM
greg,

you deserve huge credit for making the tv stage AND  the final.

hope you enjoyed the experience and continue to sorm ahead.


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: portfolio on March 16, 2006, 03:48:05 PM
greg,

you deserve huge credit for making the tv stage AND  the final.

hope you enjoyed the experience and continue to storm ahead.


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: pokerdave69 on March 16, 2006, 03:51:01 PM
I disagree with above posts, people saying roy was the best player etc etc. IMO The best player in the tournament finished 2nd. Ram was top class both in his heat and in the final. also IMO now prima have ended the sponsorship with the mob, you will see the real Ram now. I have read posts and heard people comment that ram's heart wasn't in it coz it wasn't his money he was spending on the buy-ins and he was just treating tournaments abroad as a holiday and wasn't botherd if he went out in the 1st hand or not. I think prima ending it has done Ram a big favour and don't be surprised if he wins a couple of big tournies this year. Good luck fella. NEIGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Sark79 on March 16, 2006, 04:01:57 PM
I think Ram is an excellent player.  Just look at his results. They show how good he is.


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: The Truth on March 16, 2006, 04:12:25 PM
I disagree with above posts, people saying roy was the best player etc etc. IMO The best player in the tournament finished 2nd. Ram was top class both in his heat and in the final. also IMO now prima have ended the sponsorship with the mob, you will see the real Ram now. I have read posts and heard people comment that ram's heart wasn't in it coz it wasn't his money he was spending on the buy-ins and he was just treating tournaments abroad as a holiday and wasn't botherd if he went out in the 1st hand or not. I think prima ending it has done Ram a big favour and don't be surprised if he wins a couple of big tournies this year. Good luck fella. NEIGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

you see the real ram everytime he sits down. just because the PRIMA deal has finished do you think it will be too long before he gets another deal.


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: bobby1 on March 16, 2006, 09:09:30 PM
I think the final showed that over the course of a long poker tournament all players can get a rush of cards and go through a dry spell. Ram got off to a great start and made the other players pay with his chip stack but he did go a little dry near the end. Phil hardly saw a hand for a long time and then when he did have AA he ran into Pascal with AA but he kept out of trouble and waited. He got lucky in a couple of pots and was gutted at his play in the hand where he moved all in with 15 big blinds and Roy called with 77.

I thought the way all three played when threehanded was some of the best strategic tournament poker I have seen. I think many would agree that the structure allowed the players to give us poker that we wanted to see and they didnt let us down.

Roll on the next one.



Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: The Truth on March 16, 2006, 09:14:08 PM
I think the final showed that over the course of a long poker tournament all players can get a rush of cards and go through a dry spell. Ram got off to a great start and made the other players pay with his chip stack but he did go a little dry near the end. Phil hardly saw a hand for a long time and then when he did have AA he ran into Pascal with AA but he kept out of trouble and waited. He got lucky in a couple of pots and was gutted at his play in the hand where he moved all in with 15 big blinds and Roy called with 77.

I thought the way all three played when threehanded was some of the best strategic tournament poker I have seen. I think many would agree that the structure allowed the players to give us poker that we wanted to see and they didnt let us down.

Roll on the next one.



Agreed best televised one table format tourny ever and the final was as goosd as it gets IMHO.


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Nem on March 16, 2006, 11:54:08 PM
I disagree with above posts, people saying roy was the best player etc etc. IMO The best player in the tournament finished 2nd. Ram was top class both in his heat and in the final. also IMO now prima have ended the sponsorship with the mob, you will see the real Ram now. I have read posts and heard people comment that ram's heart wasn't in it coz it wasn't his money he was spending on the buy-ins and he was just treating tournaments abroad as a holiday and wasn't botherd if he went out in the 1st hand or not. I think prima ending it has done Ram a big favour and don't be surprised if he wins a couple of big tournies this year. Good luck fella. NEIGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

 :goodpost:


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: AdamM on March 17, 2006, 10:46:04 AM
best TV poker event bar none. every heat was flooded with talent and both the semi and the final were awsome line-ups.
I've not been a fan of Roy Brindleys in the past. his commentary has been rude and over critical and his play in the BPO was terrible. I'm converted through this tourney. I thought he player really well and I agree with the previous post about his comments about 65k being a good day at the office and about how fortunate he was to be doing this 'job'.  Ram was excellent as always and I couldnt see anyone else winning right from the start and Phil Laak showed a huge ammount of class as the winner.

Greg, before your interview I was planning to post and ask a question but you answered it before I could. I was going to ask if you called basically because of the cameras and the fact you dare not pass the 2nd nuts to Ram incase he was out playing you. I think by that stage you'd have to be super human to get away. any embarressment about the exit hand should be overshadowed by the excellently played  2c 3c before that. top class mate


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: pokerdave69 on March 17, 2006, 11:27:47 AM
Cheers Nemesis. Glad to see we agree on poker if not about the next England manager.  :D


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Junior Senior on March 17, 2006, 11:46:22 AM
best TV poker event bar none. every heat was flooded with talent and both the semi and the final were awsome line-ups.
I've not been a fan of Roy Brindleys in the past. his commentary has been rude and over critical and his play in the BPO was terrible. I'm converted through this tourney. I thought he player really well and I agree with the previous post about his comments about 65k being a good day at the office and about how fortunate he was to be doing this 'job'.  Ram was excellent as always and I couldnt see anyone else winning right from the start and Phil Laak showed a huge ammount of class as the winner.

Greg, before your interview I was planning to post and ask a question but you answered it before I could. I was going to ask if you called basically because of the cameras and the fact you dare not pass the 2nd nuts to Ram incase he was out playing you. I think by that stage you'd have to be super human to get away. any embarressment about the exit hand should be overshadowed by the excellently played  2c 3c before that. top class mate


thanks Adam
it had quite alot to do with it but i had other easons. - for anyone thats interested i have done a full analysis of the hand on my blog (link below)
shamelss plug over  :D :D


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on March 17, 2006, 12:35:13 PM
I've not been a fan of Roy Brindleys in the past. his commentary has been rude and over critical and his play in the BPO was terrible. I'm converted through this tourney. I thought he player really well and I agree with the previous post about his comments about 65k being a good day at the office and about how fortunate he was to be doing this 'job'. 

I've held the same views as you Adam but I agree that this was by far his most impressive TV showing and he handled himself very well after a tough beat.

Credit where its due.

Sheriff


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: pokerdave69 on March 17, 2006, 01:56:30 PM
The Truth. I am not saying that he's not going to get another deal and i'm not even saying you don't see the real ram everytime he sits at a table, I was merely commenting on what i have read and heard in the past few months. Let me try and put into perspective what i am trying to say........ If you take a pro poker player who has lets say a £100k bankroll who has won lots of tournaments and who now gets approached by a company who wants to sponsor him...Then you take an average player like myself for example with a little bankroll whos never won a big tournament but picked up little wins over the months in £30 or £50 comps and i get approached by a company who wants to sponsor me. Who do you think will be more determined to prove themselves in the comps in which there sponsored ? The Pro who's got 100k in the bank already or the Average player who has fallen on his feet by getting a sponsor in the hope he will draw from the comp so the sponsor pays his buy-in / expenses again ? Your thoughts please. Dave


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: The Truth on March 17, 2006, 02:16:20 PM
The Truth. I am not saying that he's not going to get another deal and i'm not even saying you don't see the real ram everytime he sits at a table, I was merely commenting on what i have read and heard in the past few months. Let me try and put into perspective what i am trying to say........ If you take a pro poker player who has lets say a £100k bankroll who has won lots of tournaments and who now gets approached by a company who wants to sponsor him...Then you take an average player like myself for example with a little bankroll whos never won a big tournament but picked up little wins over the months in £30 or £50 comps and i get approached by a company who wants to sponsor me. Who do you think will be more determined to prove themselves in the comps in which there sponsored ? The Pro who's got 100k in the bank already or the Average player who has fallen on his feet by getting a sponsor in the hope he will draw from the comp so the sponsor pays his buy-in / expenses again ? Your thoughts please. Dave

IMO Poker Players / Gamblers like Ram are born not created. Their mental outlook makes them what they are. They are not concerned with their bankrolls, they just live to play and gamble. Whether they have £100k in their bankroll or they owe £100k they will always revert to their natural instinct, and instinct that cannot be taught or learnt but either exists or doesn't. What makes Ram a GREAT player IMO is that he never feels the need to prove himself, not to a sponsor, not to other players not to the TV watching public. If he has anything to prove to anyone I guess it is to himself. Dave, this is only my personal view and I am not asking anyone one to take it as gospel and you may well be right.


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: pokerdave69 on March 17, 2006, 03:07:37 PM
I agree with some of your thoughts. I personally think that Ram is one of the best players in europe and i also feel he has nothing to prove, However let me ask you a question when was the last time a well known sponsored player won a big money comp ? Maybe it's just me thinking this but the people who have won comps before they were sponsored now all of a sudden can't get a result, is this just fluke or maybe it's due to the fact it's not their money they are spending on buy-ins and expenses.


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Sark79 on March 17, 2006, 06:01:30 PM
The Truth. I am not saying that he's not going to get another deal and i'm not even saying you don't see the real ram everytime he sits at a table, I was merely commenting on what i have read and heard in the past few months. Let me try and put into perspective what i am trying to say........ If you take a pro poker player who has lets say a £100k bankroll who has won lots of tournaments and who now gets approached by a company who wants to sponsor him...Then you take an average player like myself for example with a little bankroll whos never won a big tournament but picked up little wins over the months in £30 or £50 comps and i get approached by a company who wants to sponsor me. Who do you think will be more determined to prove themselves in the comps in which there sponsored ? The Pro who's got 100k in the bank already or the Average player who has fallen on his feet by getting a sponsor in the hope he will draw from the comp so the sponsor pays his buy-in / expenses again ? Your thoughts please. Dave

IMO Poker Players / Gamblers like Ram are born not created. Their mental outlook makes them what they are. They are not concerned with their bankrolls, they just live to play and gamble. Whether they have £100k in their bankroll or they owe £100k they will always revert to their natural instinct, and instinct that cannot be taught or learnt but either exists or doesn't. What makes Ram a GREAT player IMO is that he never feels the need to prove himself, not to a sponsor, not to other players not to the TV watching public. If he has anything to prove to anyone I guess it is to himself. Dave, this is only my personal view and I am not asking anyone one to take it as gospel and you may well be right.



I believe we are all made with a blank slate. We all have the same DNA and therefor we are all capable of the same things. There is no reason why a player who has been losing at poker for 30 years cannot be turned into another Phil Ivey with the correct guidence.

Look at Daniel Negreanu, he used to get beaten.  He worked on his game. Now he is one of the best.

The idea of being born.  Well that suggests some kind of higher power dishing out gifts to some people and not to others.

As I don't believe in any kind of higher power, whether it is the tooth fairy or GOD. I can't share this veiw.

As always though on Blonde, everyones opinions are important and valued.


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: The Truth on March 17, 2006, 06:39:53 PM
The Truth. I am not saying that he's not going to get another deal and i'm not even saying you don't see the real ram everytime he sits at a table, I was merely commenting on what i have read and heard in the past few months. Let me try and put into perspective what i am trying to say........ If you take a pro poker player who has lets say a £100k bankroll who has won lots of tournaments and who now gets approached by a company who wants to sponsor him...Then you take an average player like myself for example with a little bankroll whos never won a big tournament but picked up little wins over the months in £30 or £50 comps and i get approached by a company who wants to sponsor me. Who do you think will be more determined to prove themselves in the comps in which there sponsored ? The Pro who's got 100k in the bank already or the Average player who has fallen on his feet by getting a sponsor in the hope he will draw from the comp so the sponsor pays his buy-in / expenses again ? Your thoughts please. Dave

IMO Poker Players / Gamblers like Ram are born not created. Their mental outlook makes them what they are. They are not concerned with their bankrolls, they just live to play and gamble. Whether they have £100k in their bankroll or they owe £100k they will always revert to their natural instinct, and instinct that cannot be taught or learnt but either exists or doesn't. What makes Ram a GREAT player IMO is that he never feels the need to prove himself, not to a sponsor, not to other players not to the TV watching public. If he has anything to prove to anyone I guess it is to himself. Dave, this is only my personal view and I am not asking anyone one to take it as gospel and you may well be right.



I believe we are all made with a blank slate. We all have the same DNA and therefor we are all capable of the same things. There is no reason why a player who has been losing at poker for 30 years cannot be turned into another Phil Ivey with the correct guidence.

Look at Daniel Negreanu, he used to get beaten.  He worked on his game. Now he is one of the best.

The idea of being born.  Well that suggests some kind of higher power dishing out gifts to some people and not to others.

As I don't believe in any kind of higher power, whether it is the tooth fairy or GOD. I can't share this veiw.

As always though on Blonde, everyones opinions are important and valued.

Nowt to do with higher powers etc. The bottom line is how many people have a personality that will allow them to gamble everything they have?


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: I, Zimbra on March 17, 2006, 06:41:56 PM
Errr... we don't all have the same DNA?  That would be very scary?   ;goodvevil;


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Sark79 on March 17, 2006, 06:42:41 PM
Maybey this can be developed.  If you approach it with a system.

enjoy the BB mate, have a good night


lol, i meant the same ability to learn.


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: The Truth on March 17, 2006, 07:16:22 PM
Errr... we don't all have the same DNA?  That would be very scary?   ;goodvevil;

I am originally from Wiltshire and that very claim is made with regard to some villages. ;goodvevil;


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: Sark79 on March 17, 2006, 08:16:53 PM
Errr... we don't all have the same DNA?  That would be very scary?   ;goodvevil;

I am originally from Wiltshire and that very claim is made with regard to some villages. ;goodvevil;



lol, I have family from there.  they would probably say the same   :D


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: I, Zimbra on March 17, 2006, 10:29:33 PM
Errr... we don't all have the same DNA?  That would be very scary?   ;goodvevil;

I am originally from Wiltshire and that very claim is made with regard to some villages. ;goodvevil;
"This is a local shop, for local people! We don't want your sort around here!"

 :D


Title: Re: WILLIAM HILL GRAND PRIX FINAL........TONIGHT
Post by: The Truth on March 17, 2006, 11:22:50 PM
Errr... we don't all have the same DNA?  That would be very scary?   ;goodvevil;

I am originally from Wiltshire and that very claim is made with regard to some villages. ;goodvevil;
"This is a local shop, for local people! We don't want your sort around here!"

 :D

For years I was confussed over which side of the aisle I should sit at weddings  ;goodvevil;