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Title: New Player Database Post by: ACE2M on March 27, 2006, 04:29:53 PM New Player Database that rates you and gives profit and loss info etc.
You can remove your details which some people will probably want to do. http://www.sharkscope.com/ Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: Tank Maestro on March 27, 2006, 04:31:36 PM It is only stt's and sixpacs
Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: snoopy1239 on March 27, 2006, 04:32:33 PM New Player Database that rates you and gives profit and loss info etc. You can remove your details which some people will probably want to do. http://www.sharkscope.com/ check out their 'form' description of one 'snoopy1239' not the first time I've been called that :-) Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: matt674 on March 27, 2006, 04:34:33 PM yeah according to their "extensive database" i've only ever played 48 times on pokerstars!!
Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: Cybertim on March 27, 2006, 04:35:14 PM Cybertim form TILT
lolol cant argue with that Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: Nakor on March 27, 2006, 04:44:45 PM I fear this database might be incorrect also.
$1 profit average after 380 attempts - there is no way I have made that much :D Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: ACE2M on March 27, 2006, 04:57:51 PM New Player Database that rates you and gives profit and loss info etc. You can remove your details which some people will probably want to do. http://www.sharkscope.com/ check out their 'form' description of one 'snoopy1239' not the first time I've been called that :-) You are a rare beauty sponoy. Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: Sark79 on March 27, 2006, 05:12:56 PM lol I am a fish :( :( :(
I have to work harder ... How is this worked out? My $1/2 Limit results are fairly good. I am not down since the last time I deposited in December. I have a note pad on my desk with all my results since I started playing in October. To begin with my results are really crap, then they are crap, then abit crap.... now reasonable.... If it is talking about mtt then maybe it has a point. I am a fish...lol And I hardly ever play stt Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: dan on March 27, 2006, 05:18:16 PM ive typed in all 3 accounts that i have and im in profit in all of them and on one im a shark 8)
Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: thetank on March 27, 2006, 05:52:56 PM My best estimate is that it has around 70-75% of the total results bagged.
A win ratio of >0.2 required to be a shark. My win ratio from the 2,198 results it has for me is only 0.19. Gutted. Darn tempting to see how I compare to some of my regular opponents, I'll try not to. /:-| Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: Sark79 on March 27, 2006, 06:03:19 PM I emailed them and told them to remove me.
Could someone do a search for me please? They said I may not be able to see my own results, but it could take a day or two to go through the system.. Cheers.. Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: Claw75 on March 27, 2006, 06:20:33 PM Quite pleased to find I'm not a fish, but interesting to see that some of the 'respected' players on my site are considered such!
Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: Tank Maestro on March 27, 2006, 06:29:02 PM Sark it is only stt and sixpac results. It doesn't include ring games or mtt's.
Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: M3boy on March 27, 2006, 06:32:07 PM yeah according to their "extensive database" i've only ever played 48 times on pokerstars!! LOL Matt - well i've only played 8 times!! ;goodvevil; Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: thetank on March 27, 2006, 06:32:42 PM MTT results can be found at thepokerdb.com
Ring Game Results can be found in your bank account. Other peoples are, to be frank, none of your buisness :) Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: Sark79 on March 27, 2006, 06:33:02 PM Sark it is only stt and sixpac results. It doesn't include ring games or mtt's. ok, cheers. I have been going through my results book and I get a different result than they do. I thought they were probably correct because I am crap at maths. However now I know it is STT, then that is ok. I don't play them.. Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: moritzey on March 27, 2006, 06:33:11 PM This can't be right. It claims I'm a winning player on crypto. It's all lies, I'm a fish!
On a serious note, though, I quite like the site, simple layout and nice to have that sort of info for crypto, too - think it may be the first site around that covers crypto, no? Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: Sark79 on March 27, 2006, 06:34:54 PM MTT results can be found at thepokerdb.com Ring Game Results can be found in your bank account. Other peoples are, to be frank, none of your buisness :) lol... I like the 'found in your bank account'. That explains why I am always broke :D Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: dan on March 27, 2006, 07:07:42 PM My best estimate is that it has around 70-75% of the total results bagged. A win ratio of >0.2 required to be a shark. My win ratio from the 2,198 results it has for me is only 0.19. Gutted. Darn tempting to see how I compare to some of my regular opponents, I'll try not to. /:-| tank, i think itr might be 0.5 or above to be a shark because out of my 3 accounts i have 0.2, 0.44 and 0.5 and its only the 0.5 that has a shark by it Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: dan on March 27, 2006, 07:46:55 PM isnt it classed as cheating to look at other people info?
Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: thetank on March 27, 2006, 07:55:34 PM Yes, that's why I just looked at my own.
Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: Gamblor21 on March 27, 2006, 07:59:44 PM why is it classed as cheating?
I'd say it was more of an invasion of privacy! Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: ifm on March 27, 2006, 11:11:09 PM ive typed in all 3 accounts that i have and im in profit in all of them and on one im a shark 8) Definitley wrong then :D Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: crddolly on March 28, 2006, 01:43:35 AM interesting pity it only shows the one site where i played for a few games and withdrew my bank roll
I am super tilt rotflmfao Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: dan on March 28, 2006, 12:11:31 PM ive typed in all 3 accounts that i have and im in profit in all of them and on one im a shark 8) Definitley wrong then :D :tikay: :tikay: Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: Claw75 on March 28, 2006, 02:06:19 PM why is it classed as cheating? I'd say it was more of an invasion of privacy! I'd say that was more to the point. I can't understand what relevance someone's actual profit/loss in $ is to anyone who might be using that site to gain info on opponents anyway, and that seems to step into the boundaries of personal info, particularly for those people who make a living out of playing. Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: Coca919 on March 28, 2006, 05:40:31 PM It states in the F&Q's that the results are for just Stt's on Crypto (NOT 6pak's)and for Stt's and Sit N Go Mtt's on PokerStars. This should explain why some are confused by the results. They also state that they manage record around 95% of these tournements played. So I'd say the results are pretty accurate.
The site can easily be used to gain an advantage on your opponenets. By typing in the names of each of the player's you're in an STT with you can see who are the better players to stay clear of (Sharks), and which ones are more likely to donk their chips off to you (Fish). Not only this but by looking at their average stake played you can also tell if they may be playing "out of their depth", which is likely to imply they will be playing a weaker, more scared game. It may seem as a bit of an unfair advantage to have over opponents, but while the tool is there to be used, why not do so! Although, to be honest, I'm really suprised such information is available. Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: cambo on March 28, 2006, 07:30:41 PM thats the site i was looking for when i started the other thread!!!!!!
Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: thetank on March 28, 2006, 10:19:30 PM why not do so! Perhaps because you're an honest player, who believes that you should not breach the terms and conditions of a website that you agreed upon when you signed up in a legally binding mouse click. In short - coz it's cheating :) Sorry to harp on about this, a players choice of what to do is their own personal desicion. I just want to help people make desicions based on the facts. Most players are ethical. The vast majority who make use these types of service do not know they are cheating, and would not do so if they did. thepokerdb.com is ok to use. It tracks a players gross MTT results, rather than thir net winnings and is no different to live tournament result listings on sites such as blondepoker or cardplayer. As far as I know, the major rooms are ok with that one. A service such as this, which tells you how much a player is up or down is a big no-no with the major poker rooms though. Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: Coca919 on March 28, 2006, 11:33:44 PM It may appear unethical, but if it is in-deed totally legal then surely it will just become another poker tool available to us. Although, I haven't actually used it for the purposes I described myself yet, I just suggested why it could be used to a players advantage (because someone asked what use it would be to have this information on an opponent).
A player can request to have their data removed from the site if they wish, maybe this is why it's allowed?! Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: cambo on March 29, 2006, 12:14:11 AM why not do so! Perhaps because you're an honest player, who believes that you should not breach the terms and conditions of a website that you agreed upon when you signed up in a legally binding mouse click. tank i have to disagree totally with you on this one, u said in the other thread that most poker rooms are ok with you using a programme which gives you pot odds etc whilst in the game instead of working this out urself, just cos they say its ok by them does that make it right? cos i dont agree with that at all whereas seeing who has a winning account or not is not cheating at all as far as im concerend and totally not unethical whatsoeva In short - coz it's cheating :) Sorry to harp on about this, a players choice of what to do is their own personal desicion. I just want to help people make desicions based on the facts. Most players are ethical. The vast majority who make use these types of service do not know they are cheating, and would not do so if they did. thepokerdb.com is ok to use. It tracks a players gross MTT results, rather than thir net winnings and is no different to live tournament result listings on sites such as blondepoker or cardplayer. As far as I know, the major rooms are ok with that one. A service such as this, which tells you how much a player is up or down is a big no-no with the major poker rooms though. Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: cambo on March 29, 2006, 12:19:04 AM dunno what happened there cant belive my long winded post didnt come up :D
Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: cambo on March 29, 2006, 12:19:45 AM oh it did! :D
Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: thetank on March 29, 2006, 12:40:59 AM tank i have to disagree totally with you on this one, u said in the other thread that most poker rooms are ok with you using a programme which gives you pot odds etc whilst in the game instead of working this out urself, just cos they say its ok by them does that make it right? cos i dont agree with that at all whereas seeing who has a winning account or not is not cheating at all as far as im concerend and totally not unethical whatsoeva Disagree with what? I haven't stated my opinions one way or the other as to whether I think it's right or wrong. Who am I to decide that. All I have done is stated the fact that it is cheating. The poker rooms decide what is ok and what is not. You agreed with them on this matter when you signed up. You might think that the taking of certain performance enhancing drugs are ok. the International Olympic Commitee disagrees. If you're going to play in the Olympics though, you need to play by their rules. If you breach them, you risk the consequences and you have cheated. In the same way, if you're going to play internet poker, then you have to go along with their rules of the game. Well, you do if you want to play fair anyway. If there was a rule the websites introduced that you had to play internet poker with a pair of pants upon your head at all times, then I may not agree with it, but I'd abide by it. If I didn't wish to wear my underwear in this manner, I wouldn't play. Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: thetank on March 29, 2006, 02:14:37 AM Not happy about it, but thems the rules.
[attachment deleted by admin] Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: Coca919 on March 29, 2006, 02:17:21 AM What is cheating about it though? All it is basically doing is telling you the results of all the stt's players have played in. It's not as though this information is not available to us already if we wanted it. If you watched the lobby all day you could record the results of each of the stt's that are shown on the site. Sharkscope is just doing the work for us and making this information readily available. So I don't see how it is that different the pokerdb. Both are just providing results which could be found in the lobby anyway.
By the way, just like you Tank, I'm not saying I think the site is right or wrong. I'm just questioning the fact that you state it's definately cheating. Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: Poppet7 on March 29, 2006, 02:20:00 AM I think we should all take photos of ourselves with our pants/boxers/knickers/things on our heads, in case the poker sites actually do bring out this rule we are already prepared... who's next?
Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: thetank on March 29, 2006, 02:22:58 AM By the way, just like you Tank, I'm not saying I think the site is right or wrong. I'm just questioning the fact that you state it's definately cheating. This is why..... "PokerStars defines an "Unfair Advantage" as a User accessing or compiling information on other players beyond that which the User has personally observed through the User's own game play." Pokerstars terms of service Other major sites have similar clauses in their legal contracts that you have to agree to before they'll let you create an account and play. Sharkscope is not the first, there have been similar database services available for at least a year that I know of. Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: Newmanseye on March 29, 2006, 02:24:06 AM Not happy about it, but thems the rules. Superb mate, you know how to make your point. Fanbloodytastic rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: bobby1 on March 29, 2006, 02:25:22 AM that is a great idea poppet, i will have to decline tho as I do not wear underpants of any kind but please feel free to count me a yes in the great pictures of players with their pants on their heads debate.Nice work.
Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: Gamblor21 on March 29, 2006, 02:26:18 AM if sharkscope is cheating then IMO so is thepokerdb...
I read the terms and conditions, and alot of it talks of other software being used, rather than sites! Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: Coca919 on March 29, 2006, 02:39:47 AM This is why..... "PokerStars defines an "Unfair Advantage" as a User accessing or compiling information on other players beyond that which the User has personally observed through the User's own game play." Pokerstars terms of service Lol, ok you win! I hadn't noticed this and wasn't aware of it. I guess it is cheating then. But I would agree with Gamblor21 that surely pokerdb is too then. Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: matt674 on March 29, 2006, 07:22:21 AM difference being pokerstars actually state in their terms and conditions that using a site like thepokerdb.com is ok.
thats good enough for me :) Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: Rooky9 on March 29, 2006, 12:46:55 PM I'm a shark according to this... 0.65, does that mean people will think I know how to play!
How do sites like these get the information - if pokerstars don't want people to look at this stuff surely they must be able to stop the site gathering it?! Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: matt674 on March 29, 2006, 12:51:40 PM Its pokerstars support where the information is obtained. If you know the number of the tournament you want the result of all you have to do is go into their main lobby and from the drop down options at the top left of the screen choose the option tournament history.
Then just type in the tournament number and pokerstars support will email you the result. i believe you are limited to 100 requests either per day or week (cant remember which) but as far as i'm aware the person who runs thepokerdb.com has pokerstars consent to request as many results as he wants for his database. Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: Rooky9 on March 29, 2006, 01:15:02 PM Its pokerstars support where the information is obtained. If you know the number of the tournament you want the result of all you have to do is go into their main lobby and from the drop down options at the top left of the screen choose the option tournament history. Then just type in the tournament number and pokerstars support will email you the result. i believe you are limited to 100 requests either per day or week (cant remember which) but as far as i'm aware the person who runs thepokerdb.com has pokerstars consent to request as many results as he wants for his database. So how can pokerstars then have that players shouldn't use these things when they are supplying them? I thought there would at least be some clever software thingy that did it all..... I'd question why they allow people to request results of tourn's they weren't in - it has to be all or nothing! Fact is they can not regulate the system they have and I would have no issues about using something like this database if I saw benefit - if I select a stt and see that there's a couple of sharks I'd still want to play anyway to beat them! Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: bolt pp on March 29, 2006, 04:17:36 PM the site in question is an absolute wind up.
knowone i've spoke too has found that thier stats corralate with their own. it dos'nt seem to be a profitable site so why has it been invented? It states that they dont intend to charge people at this time for use of the service and restricts users to 10 searches per day. this may be a precurser to required subscripson, and i think that this is a rough guide to peoples patterns that someone has set up to find out how popular it would be and whether or not to charge for a more thorough service. Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: lvlarc_uk on June 06, 2006, 02:50:55 AM This site is a joke, surely an intrusion of privacy?
I just played in my first STT on crypto for a few weeks and caught them chatting about this sharkscope, a few were taking the piss of someone's results on sharkscope, which I thought was terrible. She had lost over $1500 playing a total of over 1000 $2 games. I felt bad for her, she was getting fking bullied just over her results, these results should be private. Plus they are now charging people to view PRIVATE results ::) Also it has me down as only 44 games, when im sure I've played a good few hundred of STT's. I've emailed WillHill and asked if they condone this site, hope they can do something about it tho tbh, I think it's cheating too. Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: bolt pp on June 06, 2006, 03:15:20 AM Its her own fault, she shouldnt be so rubbish.
;goodvevil; Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: Bongo on June 06, 2006, 03:15:36 AM She had lost over $1500 playing a total of over 1000 $2 games. She was probably happy just having fun until they started ripping the piss out of her. Really they should all be being nice to her as she's providing them with cash (if they actually win themselves) in return for being entertained. Poker's a service industry and if she has more fun else where that's where she'll take her cash. Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: thetank on June 06, 2006, 03:20:27 AM The attitude of the other players shows a complete lack of understanding of a relatively simple concept. Don't tap the tank.
It's probably why they're unlikely to be succsessful at higher limits than $2 games. They think it's because they keep getting outdrawn by recreational fish (and possibly why they're lashing out), but really it's because they simply arn't good enough. Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: dan on June 06, 2006, 02:25:11 PM it seems loads of people use this now. so many times i have been playing a sit n go somebody outdraws someone else and all you see in the chat box is no wonder you are $xxxx down blah de blah
Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: Rod Paradise on June 06, 2006, 03:11:21 PM Don't tap the tank. Damn - was gonna see if you could loan me a score ;goodvevil; Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: Claw75 on June 06, 2006, 04:22:41 PM Plus they are now charging people to view PRIVATE results ::) as in the results of people who have requested their information to be removed?! if so, that's outrageous. Title: Re: New Player Database Post by: doubleup on June 06, 2006, 10:04:05 PM She was probably happy just having fun until they started ripping the piss out of her. At a club in Glasgow a couple of years ago, there was a regular tournament at the weekends. One of the players helpfully produced the wins and losses of all the participants over the time the tourney had been running. Needless to say the biggest loser never returned. |