New Player Database

[cambo]

 why not do so!

Perhaps because you're an honest player, who believes that you should not breach the terms and conditions of a website that you agreed upon when you signed up in a legally binding mouse click.

tank i have to disagree totally with you on this one, u said in the other thread that most poker rooms are ok with you using a programme which gives you pot odds etc whilst in the game instead of working this out urself, just cos they say its ok by them does that make it right? cos i dont agree with that at all whereas seeing who has a winning account or not is not cheating at all as far as im concerend and totally not unethical whatsoeva



In short - coz it's cheating


Sorry to harp on about this, a players choice of what to do is their own personal desicion. I just want to help people make desicions based on the facts. Most players are ethical. The vast majority who make use these types of service do not know they are cheating, and would not do so if they did.

thepokerdb.com is ok to use. It tracks a players gross MTT results, rather than thir net winnings and is no different to live tournament result listings on sites such as blondepoker or cardplayer. As far as I know, the major rooms are ok with that one.

A service such as this, which tells you how much a player is up or down is a big no-no with the major poker rooms though.

[cambo]

dunno what happened there cant belive my long winded post didnt come up

[cambo]

oh it did!

[thetank]

tank i have to disagree totally with you on this one, u said in the other thread that most poker rooms are ok with you using a programme which gives you pot odds etc whilst in the game instead of working this out urself, just cos they say its ok by them does that make it right? cos i dont agree with that at all whereas seeing who has a winning account or not is not cheating at all as far as im concerend and totally not unethical whatsoeva

Disagree with what? I haven't stated my opinions one way or the other as to whether I think it's right or wrong. Who am I to decide that.

All I have done is stated the fact that it is cheating.

The poker rooms decide what is ok and what is not. You agreed with them on this matter when you signed up.

You might think that the taking of certain performance enhancing drugs are ok. the International Olympic Commitee disagrees. If you're going to play in the Olympics though, you need to play by their rules. If you breach them, you risk the consequences and you have cheated.

In the same way, if you're going to play internet poker, then you have to go along with their rules of the game. Well, you do if you want to play fair anyway.

If there was a rule the websites introduced that you had to play internet poker with a pair of pants upon your head at all times, then I may not agree with it, but I'd abide by it.
If I didn't wish to wear my underwear in this manner, I wouldn't play.

[thetank]

Not happy about it, but thems the rules.

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[Coca919]

What is cheating about it though? All it is basically doing is telling you the results of all the stt's players have played in. It's not as though this information is not available to us already if we wanted it. If you watched the lobby all day you could record the results of each of the stt's that are shown on the site. Sharkscope is just doing the work for us and making this information readily available. So I don't see how it is that different the pokerdb. Both are just providing results which could be found in the lobby anyway.

By the way, just like you Tank, I'm not saying I think the site is right or wrong. I'm just questioning the fact that you state it's definately cheating.

[Poppet7]

I think we should all take photos of ourselves with our pants/boxers/knickers/things on our heads, in case the poker sites actually do bring out this rule we are already prepared... who's next?

[thetank]

By the way, just like you Tank, I'm not saying I think the site is right or wrong. I'm just questioning the fact that you state it's definately cheating.

This is why.....

"PokerStars defines an "Unfair Advantage" as a User accessing or compiling information on other players beyond that which the User has personally observed through the User's own game play."
Pokerstars terms of service

Other major sites have similar clauses in their legal contracts that you have to agree to before they'll let you create an account and play.

Sharkscope is not the first, there have been similar database services available for at least a year that I know of.

[Newmanseye]

Not happy about it, but thems the rules.

Superb mate, you know how to make your point.

Fanbloodytastic  

[bobby1]

that is a great idea poppet, i will have to decline tho as I do not wear underpants of any kind but please feel free to count me a yes in the great pictures of players with their pants on their heads debate.Nice work.

[Gamblor21]

if sharkscope is cheating then IMO so is thepokerdb...

I read the terms and conditions, and alot of it talks of other software being used, rather than sites!

[Coca919]

This is why.....

"PokerStars defines an "Unfair Advantage" as a User accessing or compiling information on other players beyond that which the User has personally observed through the User's own game play."
Pokerstars terms of service

Lol, ok you win! I hadn't noticed this and wasn't aware of it. I guess it is cheating then. But I would agree with Gamblor21 that surely pokerdb is too then.

[matt674]

difference being pokerstars actually state in their terms and conditions that using a site like thepokerdb.com is ok.

thats good enough for me

[Rooky9]

I'm a shark according to this... 0.65, does that mean people will think I know how to play!

How do sites like these get the information - if pokerstars don't want people to look at this stuff surely they must be able to stop the site gathering it?!

[matt674]

Its pokerstars support where the information is obtained. If you know the number of the tournament you want the result of all you have to do is go into their main lobby and from the drop down options at the top left of the screen choose the option tournament history.

Then just type in the tournament number and pokerstars support will email you the result.

i believe you are limited to 100 requests either per day or week (cant remember which) but as far as i'm aware the person who runs thepokerdb.com has pokerstars consent to request as many results as he wants for his database.