Would sites ever look in to installing a HUD as an update to their software? At least then all players have the stats available to them. If they aren't going anywhere (which seems to be the consensus) then embrace them for all and accept that HUDs are part and parcel of today's online poker game. From a pros view this would at least remove the misconception of the advantages HUDs give and the recs feel they are back on a level playing field in terms of information available.

Rex....read A...then read D.....see any contradiction?

Rex...that example is results orientated only if you take in to consideration the opponent folde/calld. I'm only interested in the fact that EvilPie shoved due to information given to him by software giving him an ,in my opinion, unfair advantage.

Maybe we have to agree to disagree. But I'm a rec...you'd want me at your tables and I'm turning away from online due to what I perceive to be an unfair disadvantage through not being tech savvy. Perhaps I'm a paranoid uneducated fool. If I'm an isolated case or there's no bigger problem here then you and the pros needn't worry.

As a side note...just got back from the casino...I didn't win but the game was played straight up and how I like it. People even talked and there was no berating! Imagine that!

So by definition what is a rec?

And EvilPie just gave you a perfect example of a situation where a HUD gave statistics (during a single mtt sample size)he wouldn't have otherwise had without it showing that it affected his play in a positive way giving him an edge through software alone. So your argument that you need thousands of hands for them to be worthwhile is flawed in my opinion.

What is wrong with the idea of only using the software that starts when you open up the poker site? Same for all users then surely? May the best man win.

Re arrboy....I was only messing. Just on the wind up. Please don't take it how it wasn't intended.

What would I do? If possible I'd remove all HUDs, seating scripts etc..basically all software that aids players. I want to sit down in front of my screen and it be as if I was sitting at the casino. Mind v minds is what I play for. If I'm worse than the other players in that situation I can accept it but not when I'm up against mind+tech advantages.

I am your typical rec player....work 40 hours a week and play at nights to unwind/relax. I can accept players being better than me and working harder than me in becoming better. What I'm totally against is the idea someone gains an advantage by being more tech savvy than me and gaining an advantage purely because they have software that enables this advantage. This is poker. A game of minds. To me it is anyway. If it's about having the latest software to process information to gain an edge then I have no interest. I've started going to the casino to play instead to get what I perceive as a fair game....I'll be going again tonight. It's far more enjoyable to me and I'm safe in the knowledge that it's purely a mind game without technology aiding opponents.

There's something quite satisfying about the thought of HUD using pros suffocating the rec money in online poker so they only have each other to squeeze money out of.

Jeeez..."all my trades on betfair" give it a rest mate....

Spot on alunb

But George, do you think the rich businessman would be happy that as he arrives in the car park a team gathers with a plan to usher him to a table with pre selected opposition with far greater skills than him? rather than just an honest up front game with no secret background plan? would it be wrong to perhaps think that from time to time he might actually play against someone where he wouldn't always be the dog?

Starting to see why Colman describes the poker world as he does. Although it sounds like he has had a huge part in creating the monster he despises?

As a rec/fish thanks to tikay for sharing and others for expanding on the subject. I would occasionally play a $30 husng on stars...not anymore. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out as more and more people like me get wind of the current setup.

Anyway,got to get back to my randomly seated low stakes mtts without a HUD.....ignorance is bliss!

I'm a rec player and would always read the updates provided by tighty. They made me want to play at dtd and play the sats online for the deepstacks. With the live updates it made it feel like a big event for me.  The urge to play the sats has gone and it disappeared around the time the updates disappeared. Coincidence? Probably not.

Hi,

I very rarely post but this is a great read so far.

Kind of strange that you wanna prove you can be profitable before Xmas but don't put in max volume during summer when you have most free time. I don't know Dave or Pleno but obviously know who they are. The fact that you can have them comment/help on here is a testament to blondepoker IMO. Pretty insane how the recent online ranking no.1 comments here to be honest.

I guess what I'm saying is commit fully or you'll no doubt fall short of your goals.

captain - Scott Seiver
itm5x   - Scott seiver
brit      - Matt Ashton
poty    - Noah Schwartz
high    - Phil Ivey
ladies  - Vanessa selbst
euro   - Eugene katchalov

wildcard1- Calvin Anderson
Wildcard2- Dominic Nitsche

Thanks for doing this again Mere. Great bit of fun!
And thanks to Tightend and TK for donating the prize.

Good luck everyone!!!

Id like to echo those sentiments. I was an occasional visitor to this forum but during the wsop I've been viewing pretty much everyday for updates and the fantasy league was a good bit of fun to go with it.

I can only imagine the hours spent trawling through results to keep this updated as it was.  Big thanks to all that put the work in!

Was there a defining moment from which you turned pro?