Blinds: 100/200/25
Starting Stack: 19,500
BTN With
UTG+2 Limps, HJ Limps, CO Limps, BTN Raise to 950
Blinds Fold, Fold, Fold, CO Calls
Pot: 2,850
Board
CO Checks, BTN Bets 1,800, CO Calls
Pot: 6,450
Board
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CO Checks, BTN Bets 4,200, CO Calls
Pot: 14,850
Board
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CO Checks, BTN Bets 8,000, CO Calls
CO Shows
wins an 8 High Flush
BTN Shows
loses with 3 of a Kind - Tens
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Right, i'd been pretty active...I was very aware of that, and the cutoff had not been getting tricky (in fact very few people had) and had in fact been VERY face up, the two hands he had made monsters of had been raised in peoples faces, so him calling the flop roughly told me a decent equity hand, but not much past that, 10's down, suited connectors, that sort of thing....when the flop came down and i c-bet his call wasnt all that quick but he displayed no sign of weakness...im not putting him on 8's or a 10 because given how he's been playing they get stuck in my eye on the flop...I'd imagined either a pocket pair or a single eight...When the turn hits and i fire the second bullet im 100% confident im still ahead, but aware of the second heart im trying to price that kind of crap out
(Was this enough to do that?), this time however he's staring me out...and i mean intensely staring me out, it struck me his hand was crap and he was just wondering if i had the ten...so im basically commiting to my read at this stage, most likely an 8 given how he calls the flop. He eventually dwell calls. When the river hits (Wrongly) im not too scared of the flush. Im fairly confident in the idea nobody on my table was loose enough to call the flop with nothing more than a backdoor, and if ive got him on the 8, he straight up can't have two hearts...that said his dwell-stare call made me feel a river bet gets called by worse almost all of the time given how active ive been...i thought the shove could put him off given that it was an effective all in for him (roughly the same starting stack)...the 8k was purely a value bet basically...
Now im probably the worst. And will likely get abused for this hand. But i had my reasoning behind it all...I just could not put him on the flush given how the hand went down, i didnt think he was that daft to call off on the flop. And i stand by the idea stronger hands on the flop would have made themselves aware...he had not demonstrated any way to be tricksy...
*Cowers in the corner*
IMO, there are several things wrong with this hand and also your reasoning behind it. If we base everything on your reasoning and break it down.
Firstly, you've been shown to be active (as quoted), so after 3 limpers being on the button this early in the comp and isolating with J10o is incorrect imo. Yes, antes are in etc. But in a Grand Prix, a £50 comp. Generally 90% of the time anyone who limps is calling a raise. So you end up just buillding a big pot pre with a marginal/dominated hand vs 3-4 players. Limpers in this comp, know people are gona call behind them and not reraise behind them as they want to see a flop. So I find it kind of hard to have three limpers before you both fold in this spot or get only one to call (especially if you have been active as quoted). If this is the case, the original imper expects you to raise anyway, so he is either trapping and gona reraise you, or call any raise as he is expecting you to. Then the chain of call, call, call takes effect.
Anyway, only one calls. So we see a 10 10 8 flop. Nearly 3k in the pot and we bet 1800. OK np. I prefer alot smaller, 1100-1400 something along them lines. He calls.
"im not putting him on 8's or a 10 because given how he's been playing they get stuck in my eye on the flop"
If is he is the sort of person to put it in your eye if he has it, why would he in this spot on this board? if he has 10X, 10 8, or 88. Why would he raise, allowing AK, AQ, KQs etc to fold easy? He would be holding the deck and just wouldn't raise.
We go to the
turn and our read is he doesn't have a monster cus he would raise us on the flop. So why bomb 3/4 pot? There's no
combos that allow him to continue to this bomb. We put him on marginal at this spot so against marginal, villian is pretty much drawing dead. So why again give him to chance to fold? If we go along to lines of your CBet, there's 6450 in the pot. Bet 2000-2500, even less. Then we are setting up funky spot where we can get funky on the river and have him guessing. We don't need to charge him to see river and hit his draw as we can't see how he has a draw! I would much rather you keep it small throughout on this dry board and take the extreme of a BOMB river. Betting small aswell, opens it up for opponent to raise us on the turn for alot smaller. If we bet, 2000. He can easily go 5000+ etc. Where as if we bet close to 5k. He can only jam and will only do so if he has a monster cus he is that sort.
river.
'Im fairly confident in the idea nobody on my table was loose enough to call the flop with nothing more than a backdoor, and if ive got him on the 8, he straight up can't have two hearts..'
Why would we bet 8k if we feel he only has an 8. IMO, all stages have allowed him to fold hands we can/should be getting value from. If we take the line of small, small, BOMB. Atleast we should be guaranteed 2 streets and him hopefully leveling himself on the river. With a bomb, bomb, bomb, (at this stage) he has a chance to fold each street. And as he is the sort (as quoted) to tell you he has a big hand, we are fairly certain we are winning, he doesnt have full house, doesnt have flush, doesnt have 10X and only has a pair of eights. So why scare him off?
And then he calls and shows ze-flush.
There are a few things that don't add up in my opinion. Firstly, why would he just call river? He has a flush so should stick it in your eye when he has a monster.
So really, what fullhouse combos that WE have play this way that make him just call?
OK.. 88, 55, 33, 108 etc. Really?!
Even X 10h. Yes suppose so, but would we really take this three street line vs this player?
So what is he scared of? Why would he call a flop bomb and turn bomb and to hit is backdoor to just call? If he is the sort that tells you he is strong, why would be "sigh, i got flush, call." We having him beat just doesn't make sense imo.
Couple of other things. And this isn't a witch hunt, I am just wanting to know facts thats all.
1) You posted on facebook we lost to runner runner 68o. not
.
On here this is your key hand (
) but your bust out hand was a standard JJ v A10 for 11 bigs?
So what relevance does the 86o play?
2) It is very likely, imo that we are the limper. The hands were reversed. We have J10o. Decide to peel an active player on the button and flop trips. So we don't raise flop, cus we should have his range crushed and trapping. He bombs turn as he has a flush draw and straight draw and wanting you to fold 99 8X, 77, 66 etc. We just call expecting him to bet river big. He hits river and bombs. We can't put him on a flush. Only call as there is no value in raising as no worse hand can call. That makes sense.
3) I am in no way a Hand History coach, Pleno, Tomsom or another sicko, so maybe completely incorrect about the whole hand.
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