Brian Pulford - a dodgy dealer?

Do bears......?

as I thought I played this like a %&*!

I pushed on the turn having decided a flush draw was likely and he called with 

Thankfully it wasn't a bubble for the actual APT qualifier and I can have another go

[call any river bet]

I'd def bet the flop, but prob a little more than you did. Hard to put him on a hand as no draws he can be calling with, so from the flop call im probably putting him on 22,33,44,55,77,88. A9-AK aren't in his range as he is probably shoving you pre flop.

I'd usually check the turn to control the pot and just call any river bet, and possibly value bet if he checks the river as he can't have an ace (A6-A8) if he is doing that

What if he pushes?

id prolly check back the flop to let him bluff/ keep pot manageable.

If he bets do you call or reraise and what if he shoves?

Already locked in our money back from this satellite which is for tickets to a final APT qualifier worth $270 (so not a massive prize) - top 2 get a ticket, 3 left

What do you do from here?


Table #11969299 - Tournament #7634847 Table #1
Starting Hand #593030595
Start time of hand: 26 Nov 2008 23:16:30
Last Hand #593029567
Game Type: HOLD'EM
Limit Type: NO LIMIT
Table Type: TOURNAMENT
Money Type: TOURNAMENT CHIPS
Blinds are now $300/$600
Button is at seat 5
Seat 2: hero - $11,508
Seat 3: caspran - $10,362
Seat 5: KENPIN - $13,130
Moving Button to seat 2
hero posts ante of $75
caspran posts ante of $75
KENPIN posts ante of $75
caspran posts small blind ($300)
KENPIN posts big blind ($600)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [ ] to hero
hero raises to $1,800
caspran folds
KENPIN calls $1,800
Dealing Flop [ Ah ]
KENPIN checks
hero bets $1,800
KENPIN calls $1,800
Dealing Turn []
KENPIN checks

Scandie meets the Scousers in poker's version of Jan Molby going to Liverpool.



Oysten Lund



David Caruso. (Dave Colclough clearly realises also)

In the top photo, does anyone know the name of the one on the left (I know he's a scouser)?

Paul McIntyre - Finalled Thanet last month.

thanks

Scandie meets the Scousers in poker's version of Jan Molby going to Liverpool.



Oysten Lund



David Caruso. (Dave Colclough clearly realises also)

In the top photo, does anyone know the name of the one on the left (I know he's a scouser)?

was gona stick money on this guy to win it a few weeks ago, couldnt see any bookies that would take bets. What u reckon the odds were?

should have tried Ladbrokes

Tht fact tht ppl see leading out from sb/bb into an aggressor as weak they can shove soooo wide on u and usually the leader has like 44 here.  They lead to 'find out where they are' before folding to any action.

I guess u called and he had 66 this time? gg.

Well worked out except for reply 16 above yours lol

he's got q10/k10 lol. call

pls see above

Yes, my bad ref the bb. The problem with betting out here is that nobody thinks you are strong enough to call an all-in, and so the all-in that follows is pretty standard. The move carries with it loads of fold equity with the current stack sizes and tournament situation, and the pot is well worth the risk. So what I'm saying is don't bet out to find out where you stand, especially when the temptation for your oppos to shove is overwhemling. Bet expecting the shove. Bet to induce the shove. Whatever you want. But betting to find out where you are here is not good, because the big pot reward for your oppo's deceit means you will never get any sort of truthful answer.

The fact that the opener folds makes the problem easier for you because an over-pair is less likely, but still possible. K-10, J-10, 8-8 & 9-9 are very possible while 2 pairs are not, and the fact the guy goes all-in makes 8-9 and sets pretty unlikely imo. So there's a lot of reason to call. But in this situation you should be betting to snap this 2nd guy, not betting to wonder. You are more in control if you do this imo.

Makes a lot of sense, thanks

After a bit of thought I did call and he had the hand for some reason I felt he might have (don't know why) i.e. 66 but at least I wasn't muffed

[On flop I lead out to 'find out where I am'. Should I be calling his all in.]

On flop I lead out to 'find out where I am'. Should I be calling his all in.

This is quite a horrible and very ironic thing to say dawg. So you lead to find out where you stand - your oppo goes all-in - and now you ask whether you should call?? How has betting out allowed you to discover the secret of where you stand, when you don't know what to do when your oppo responds? Simply speaking, you just don't know where you stand. So the motivation and the strategy behind the original bet was a mockery. This is the important lesson of your hand dawg.

What makes the betting out for info strat more ridic here is that you have no info on the other players so you will be pretty clueless whatever their response. What you need right now is info and to some degree the c-bet size of your oppo will give you that. So by not checking and allowing your oppo the chance to at least size his bet means that betting out for information actually deprives you of information, and thats pretty ironic.

With 20/465 left, landing at this table and calling off 10% of your stack to ep action and unknown players with A-10 is not very good imo. The fact that you hit tptk and are unsure what to do tells you why.

Fair enough but i only called 5% of my stack as I was already BB so I was putting in 3k in to a pot of 19k to see a flop. I also meant more re finding out where I was with the original raiser. The original caller was always going to be a bit of an unknown which was why I wondered whether reraising pre flop would have been better because original raiser would either fold or go all in (in all likelihood) making my decision easier? and also the caller would almost certainly fold IMO

I'm not exactly sure what it is you're asking but if it's whether or not to call his all in then I say but of course. However, I've had this similar scenerio and found that the person jumping all in had slow played his pckt. pair and I ended up out on my arse. 

I was wondering primarily whether the call of the all in was clear cut or not, but also whetehr maybe reraising pre flop may have been a better option as I would find out the strength of the original raisers hand better and likely chase out the villain causing me the 'problem' post flop

Last night's PKR open c. $14k prize pool (465 runners), last 2 tables and slightly above average chips. No great reads on either villain as not been at table long

1. Should I raise pre flop to find out strength of original raiser's hand or as I did, peel off a cheap flop

2. On flop I lead out to 'find out where I am'. Should I be calling his all in. I put him on one off the following 66,77,tt (unlikely), T9,T8, 67, KT,QT,JT or poss a bluff . Don't put him on JJ+ as he would likely have reraised pre flop

Table #11534609 - Tournament #7384736 Table #44
Starting Hand #572490935
Start time of hand: 07 Nov 2008 23:57:37
Last Hand #572489543
Game Type: HOLD'EM
Limit Type: NO LIMIT
Table Type: TOURNAMENT
Money Type: TOURNAMENT CHIPS
Blinds are now $1,500/$3,000
Button is at seat 6
Seat 1: fitfinlay - $63,384
Seat 2: taperman - $94,547
Seat 3: lellehed - $43,064
Seat 5: labellamaffia - $35,412
Seat 6: besa007 - $56,225
Seat 7: harrir - $74,651
Seat 8: fingersmith - $54,508
Seat 9: hero - $65,148
Seat 10: db112 - $66,480
Moving Button to seat 7
fitfinlay posts ante of $300
taperman posts ante of $300
lellehed posts ante of $300
labellamaffia posts ante of $300
besa007 posts ante of $300
harrir posts ante of $300
fingersmith posts ante of $300
hero posts ante of $300
db112 posts ante of $300
fingersmith posts small blind ($1,500)
hero posts big blind ($3,000)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [As ] to hero
db112 folds
fitfinlay raises to $6,000
taperman calls $6,000
lellehed folds
labellamaffia folds
besa007 folds
harrir folds
fingersmith folds
hero calls $6,000
Dealing Flop [ ]
hero bets $12,000
fitfinlay folds
taperman raises to $88,247 (all-in)

FWIW IMO a Q high flush is rarely the best hand if played to river in full ring omaha, even on a non paired board. Once you raised his bet on the flop and didn't take it down I wouldn't have put more money in personally unless the opponent is a complete donk

whilst your reasoning may be correct that has to be arsehole comment of the day when the 9 people on that table have got past 814 other runners - I'm sure a strong player like you must do that live all the time

ooops, just seen this.  in my eye.

sorry if it came across as offensive, but generally the bigger field a tournament is, the weaker the standard of player there will be deeper.  Simply from the bad to good player ratio being so high.  It was not to say you are a weak player personally.

np

Queens man can't rate you for A-A/K-K after you requested the bb's hand be declared dead before any action. I suspect you didn't know you had A-A before you made that comment. If you DID know you had A-A then that is a world class remark imo.

lol ty which was why I mentioned making the remark in the first place. I didn't know at the time I made the remark I had AA but realised it could 'work in my favour' after I saw my hand (talk about what comes around goes around)

Anyway, I think we have established that the play was definitely not bad which really was all I wanted to get views on, though some agree with me that in his position it was foldable and the slags and lags disagree

Thanks