So if you were me. you think what Iwan did was correct and you would be happy?

Try if you can to ignore the fact that a pretty shit ruling has been made here, i don't think you can be enforced to call an unquantifiable amount.

I've seen it many times where there are 5 minute arguments at the table and nobody thinks to call the floor as that is almost ineveitably the only way to solve it. It's annoying and a complete waste of time. If Iwan's involvement was just to defuse and speed up the process he's acted correctly and sensibly and couldn't find any fault with him.
I'd be more peeved with Frazer if he completely took advantage of the situation and changed the amount he was going to bet. Not that he broke any rules by doing that it just isn't great form.

Dave, read my essay above your 1st post and you can clearly see Iwans involvement... let me know your thoughts then...

With regard to the controversial hand anyone at the table can call for a ruling, Iwan ventured an opinion (which in his own words maybe he didn't need to) that he agreed with Ian but that the only way they could solve it was to call for a ruling. Nothing wrong with that otherwise you have the potential for it to develop into a stand up argument. The ruling itself i personally think is a bit shit but Frazer took full advantage of it as it was recounted to me. Apparently he picked up 12k to bet the river as he did this Priyan picked up the same amount to call, Frazer didn't put the chips over the line and stopped and looked at Priyan, it was then that he made his statement. The ruling was called and now Frazer moves in for a massive overbet (37k?). Priyan left himself open to it but pretty gross use of the situation by Frazer as he now trebled his bet.

So Dave, if you were me you would be happy with Iwan getting invovled?

So if you were me. you think what Iwan did was correct and you would be happy?

blinds 1.5k/3k (200) everyone folds to Priyan in SB he calls with   and Ian checks in BB

 

Priyan 4k, Ian calls

 

Priyan check, Ian 4k, Priyan call

 

Priyan checks, Ian is thinking what to bet and Priyan says ''I'll have to call''

Now a ruling is called and TD says ''yes its binding, whatever he bets you have to call'' so Ian moves in 37k into like 24k pot and Priyan forced to call, sounds a bit harsh to me.

Hi Guys,

I don't normally write on blonde but am so pissed off and upset at the ruling given to me I want to make a few things clear and get it off my chest. When we get to the river, I check,  Ian is thinking of betting and gets some chips in his hand, I take some chips in my hand and look at him, he looks at me as if to say what u doing? As we have been having banter throughout our blinds I say a off the cuff remark "I got to call".  Now please note there is nothing to call, NO BET HAS BEEN MADE YET, he is getting free information of me, am I weak or strong and I am trying to get him to put a small bet to call.  I have done nothing wrong here this is normal table talk.  Now at this moment Iwan says to Ian, "Ian that is binding, yesterday Dubai did the same thing, ask for a ruling, too many guys are saying things like this, its not on",  at which stage Ian pipes up and says yes I would like a ruling. He had no intention of asking for a ruling before Iwan said anything 100%.  

The inexperienced floor guy(bald young guy with Tattos, so wish Dena was there this would have never got to TD level) comes across does not even ask the dealer anything and listens to what Ian, myself and Iwan(still involved) have to say, he immediately says I will have to call any bet made as " I got to call" is a verbally binding(EVEN BEFORE THE BET HAS BEEN MADE!!!) Of course all this information is coming mainly not from Ian but Iwan whom is referring back to the ruling made a few days ago and whom is still very much involved in the whole thing even thou it has NOTHING to do with him(Guess he is helping his poor friend whom does not have a backbone and is very shy LOLLOLOLO).  Now at this stage Ian immediately goes all in.  I cant believe what has happened and ask for TD to come over.  When he comes across thou I can not believe what I am hearing as the younger guy(whom made the ruling) while bringing over the TD has given his version of events which is unfair as he also whats his ruling to be correct.  The TD does not even speak to the dealer to get the facts or listen to my side of the story sees Ian's chips over the line which were not there when the ruling was made and says I have to call.  The dealer whom is very experienced young girl glasses deals quickly and knows the game is not consulted once.

In my opinion too many times have I seen a wrong ruling made as the TD does not want to undermine his staff(he has to support them i guess) he should not be influenced by the person whom has made the ruling in the 1st place as it is his ruling we are disputing(how is he going to portray the story). He should come to the table and hear the story from the dealer who has heard and seen everything and then maybe the players after if he wants.  The TD did not not listen and evaluate the situation just went on what he heard from Iwan and the younger floor guy.  If he did he would had seen that no bet had been made when the comment was made and that common sense would say to give me a warning and let Ian make his bet and me to decide what to do.  Since he did not look at the situation and wanted to flex his muscles he has come out making a totally ridiculous ruling and looking very unprofessional(no one has said he made the right ruling from all blonde member to even experienced players like Dave Colclough etc etc)

Anyway mistakes are made but what really get to me is Iwans involvement in the whole matter.  He knows very well that he should never be talking or getting involved in a hand he is not playing himself.  As u have all pointed out he is a seasoned pro he knows what goes and doesn't and he has stepped over the line big time helping his friend win a big pot and getting an massive advantage in the hand.  I don't know why Iwan got involved whether he was pissed off I won the race AK v his 9's or I was a threat or in he had a bad experience on another table earlier.  It does not matter thou as he should know better he cost me my tournament and my chance of winning.  I was finally knocked out by Ian with my own chips final nail in the coffin...