Opinions please

[TheWhisper]

I was in the $10 rebuy game, the rebuy period was good to me and I ended up with about 15k in chips.
I had recently donked off half of my chips
We were about 5 places from the bubble, bottom prize $70, not a major concern as I was more interested in the $10k first prize.
These were my successive big blinds.


PokerStars Game #5465282678: Tournament #27318185, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (1500/3000) - 2006/07/05 - 20:07:01 (ET)
Table '27318185 58' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: kudos1017 (42378 in chips)
Seat 2: HoldumGod (54881 in chips)
Seat 3: x mjolnir x (32075 in chips)
Seat 4: alexia18 (56116 in chips)
Seat 5: CallMeSkippy (92874 in chips)
Seat 6: cwarrenpeace (99310 in chips)
Seat 7: TheWhisper (25460 in chips)
Seat 8: spxdes (27230 in chips)
Seat 9: PenoChip (21890 in chips)
kudos1017: posts the ante 150
HoldumGod: posts the ante 150
x mjolnir x: posts the ante 150
alexia18: posts the ante 150
CallMeSkippy: posts the ante 150
cwarrenpeace: posts the ante 150
TheWhisper: posts the ante 150
spxdes: posts the ante 150
PenoChip: posts the ante 150
cwarrenpeace: posts small blind 1500
TheWhisper: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TheWhisper [ ]
spxdes: folds
PenoChip: folds
kudos1017: folds
HoldumGod: folds
x mjolnir x: folds
alexia18: folds
CallMeSkippy: folds
cwarrenpeace: raises 27000 to 30000
TheWhisper: folds
cwarrenpeace collected 7350 from pot
cwarrenpeace: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7350 | Rake 0
Seat 1: kudos1017 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: HoldumGod folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: x mjolnir x folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: alexia18 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: CallMeSkippy (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: cwarrenpeace (small blind) collected (7350)
Seat 7: TheWhisper (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: spxdes folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: PenoChip folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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PokerStars Game #5465370659: Tournament #27318185, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (1500/3000) - 2006/07/05 - 20:15:09 (ET)
Table '27318185 58' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: kudos1017 (56768 in chips)
Seat 2: HoldumGod (67431 in chips)
Seat 3: x mjolnir x (40025 in chips)
Seat 4: alexia18 (50266 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: CallMeSkippy (80374 in chips)
Seat 6: cwarrenpeace (110510 in chips)
Seat 7: TheWhisper (25460 in chips)
Seat 8: spxdes (21380 in chips)
Seat 9: luckysod (42871 in chips)
kudos1017: posts the ante 150
HoldumGod: posts the ante 150
x mjolnir x: posts the ante 150
alexia18: posts the ante 150
CallMeSkippy: posts the ante 150
cwarrenpeace: posts the ante 150
TheWhisper: posts the ante 150
spxdes: posts the ante 150
luckysod: posts the ante 150
cwarrenpeace: posts small blind 1500
TheWhisper: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TheWhisper [ ]
spxdes: folds
luckysod: folds
kudos1017: folds
HoldumGod: folds
x mjolnir x: folds
alexia18: folds
CallMeSkippy: folds
cwarrenpeace: raises 24000 to 27000
TheWhisper: calls 22310 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [ ]
TheWhisper said, "ffs"
HoldumGod said, "loll"
*** TURN *** [ ] []
TheWhisper said, "nh"
HoldumGod said, "everytime"
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
cwarrenpeace: shows [ ] (two pair, Nines and Sixes)
TheWhisper: shows [ ] (a pair of Deuces)
cwarrenpeace collected 51970 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 51970 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: kudos1017 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: HoldumGod folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: x mjolnir x folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: alexia18 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: CallMeSkippy (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: cwarrenpeace (small blind) showed [ ] and won (51970) with two pair, Nines and Sixes
Seat 7: TheWhisper (big blind) showed [ ] and lost with a pair of Deuces
Seat 8: spxdes folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: luckysod folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Now I know I lost the hand but should I have folded?

If I had waited and shoved my chips in even with my smallish stack I would have had some folding equity.

[thetank]

Am I right in thinking that we're calling all-in with KJo just off the bubble?

We still have 8ish big blinds, we're not that desperate yet surely? I understand that 1st was much prettier, but I probably pass this still.

Even if you know that we're definately against any two, a fold is probably still the move. (60% chance against his possible hand range of the top 163 premium hands)

I'd rather take that gamble in the money, don't see it being long for it to burst in such a large tournament, and plenty similar spots will present themselves.

[totalise]

Now I know I lost the hand but should I have folded?

you tell us.. we have no idea how the guy is playing. Against your average player in that spot, KJos isn't going to be doing so great, as they typically do all they can to eek out an I-T-M finish. 75% of the field play to get in the money round these bubbles, and the other 25% go after the easy chips. Based on your experiences at the table so far, which group do you think he is in?  if its the 75%, its a clear fold, if its the 25%.. then the call is +Cev. Whether its +$ev, I am not 100% sure, but I suspect it probably isn't

but hold on a minute.. you said this:

We were about 5 places from the bubble, bottom prize $70, not a major concern as I was more interested in the $10k first prize.

and if thats the case, you dont really need to worry about Cev and $ev, so it goes back to the original paragraph, which side of the fence is he on, accumulator or squeaker.

Also, you say:

If I had waited and shoved my chips in even with my smallish stack I would have had some folding equity.

this is certainly true, but you will still have that FE if you call and win, you will just be adding to a fatter stack.. and you are going to have to accumulate chips via showdown at some stage, its close to impossible to get to the FT without showing down a hand on the river.. at least if you make inroads into a big stack earlier, you can get into the situation where later on you can lose an all-in coup, and still be in the tourney (if you have your oppo covered), and that is a great place to be. Thats not to say you should be throwing round your stack in the middle everytime you get into a coinflip situation, but if you figure to have 60% equity, your side of the coin is plated with lead.


Saying all this, I dont call in these spots unless I have a pretty compelling reason to do so, and the compulsion will be derived from whether i can accurately assume that the jammer is pushing with close to any two cards. If I can come to that conclusion, then I call, if the information isn't pursuasive enough, then I just fold

tl;dr version. Fold against unknowns, call against villains that you are quite certain are pushing with close to any two (even if he pushes with the top 50% of hands, you have 55% equity, which is more then enough for me to call with.. given that we are getting much better then 1:1 odds)

[TheWhisper]

Guys
Thank you for your responses.
The truth was that I knew the guy was at-it and I was frustrated by his bully boy tactics.
Ordinarily I wouldn't call with KJo and in the future I don't think I would either.