set over set bad kicker.....

[tantrum]

I am not complaining, but i feel I should have folded this hand.  I wonder if my play was very bad or plainly stupid.....


It has crossed my mind he had AQ yet I still callled like a dumb.....This hand cost me the tournament....as i was unable to recover from the crippled stack.

Table Number: 4,737,850
Event Name: No Limit Holdem (#3073706)
Event Buy-In: $1+$0.10
Total Prize Pool: $44
Game: No Limit Hold 'em
Level IX: 100 Ante 400/800 Blinds     (100 Minimum Chip)
Average Stack: 25,882.35     (10,000 starting chips)
Remaining Players: 17     (44 started)
Seat 1 : PALLADIN2 starts with 18,700
Seat 3 : scrillacheddar starts with 6,000
Seat 4 : leilelucas starts with 37,700
Seat 5 : frankster200 starts with 24,400
Seat 6 : michaelad starts with 36,500
Seat 7 : MarineAW starts with 40,000
Seat 8 : BUSHWACKER500 starts with 23,000
Seat 9 : Cogset13 starts with 39,400
Seat 10 : TOPDOG85 starts with 34,500
Seat 1 : PALLADIN2 has the dealer button
>>>DEALING HOLE CARDS<<<
leilelucas dealt down  
PALLADIN2 posts the ante 100
scrillacheddar posts the ante 100
leilelucas posts the ante 100
frankster200 posts the ante 100
michaelad posts the ante 100
MarineAW posts the ante 100
BUSHWACKER500 posts the ante 100
Cogset13 posts the ante 100
TOPDOG85 posts the ante 100
scrillacheddar posts the small blind 400
leilelucas posts the big blind 800
frankster200 folds
michaelad folds
MarineAW calls 800
BUSHWACKER500 raises 800 to 1,600
Cogset13 folds
TOPDOG85 folds
PALLADIN2 folds
scrillacheddar folds
leilelucas calls 800
MarineAW calls 800
>>>DEALING FLOP<<< [ ]
leilelucas bets 3,000
MarineAW folds
BUSHWACKER500 raises 18,300 to 21,300 and is all-in
leilelucas calls 18,300
BUSHWACKER500 cards were  
leilelucas cards were  
>>>DEALING TURN<<< [ ]
>>>DEALING RIVER<<< [ ]
BUSHWACKER500 wins 48,700 with three of a kind, queens
michaelad was moved to table #4737853

[SupaMonkey]

I think you are being results orientated here. Yes he might have a-q but then he might have a-k etc. It's a rainbow flop and the best drawing hand he could be up against is an inside straight draw (i.e you have J-10 and a 9 falls). You wouldn't expect someone with such a monster to bet the way he did, especially when you are in the BB and he min raised preflop.

[boldie]

I think you are being results orientated here. Yes he might have a-q but then he might have a-k etc. It's a rainbow flop and the best drawing hand he could be up against is an inside straight draw (i.e you have J-10 and a 9 falls). You wouldn't expect someone with such a monster to bet the way he did, especially when you are in the BB and he min raised preflop.

I like the other guy's minimum raise pre-flop.

but this is a call every time....you have Q10..hit your set on a rainbow flop...you call an allinmove every time IMO...your kicker is a ten so it's not a bad kicker to have with a set.....I would have done my chips in aswell and not felt bad about it..just a  bit unlucky that the other guy had AQ...but you played it right IMO

[Trix]

This is an instant call. Unlucky

[SupaMonkey]

I like the other guy's minimum raise pre-flop.

I don't like it but that wasn't my point. His allin here is bad play and he got lucky imo. He has given you enormous pot odds preflop so you could be there with anything. Betting into that flop with two players means you have something but it is more likely to be a king than the case queen. So why does he raise so much to scare off hands like K-10 etc.

[boldie]

I like the other guy's minimum raise pre-flop.

I don't like it but that wasn't my point. His allin here is bad play and he got lucky imo. He has given you enormous pot odds preflop so you could be there with anything. Betting into that flop with two players means you have something but it is more likely to be a king than the case queen. So why does he raise so much to scare off hands like K-10 etc.

oh I agree about the all in being bad play. unless someone holds pocket kings KQ or the queen you never get a call. there's no doubt there.

[matt674]

Once you have seen the flop then yes for me its a call - to be honest though i dont think i would have called a preflop raise out of position with a marginal hand like Q-10 o/s especially getting towards the business end of a tourney.

When it gets late on in tourneys i will either raise or fold and tend not to flat call once the blinds get big enough to steal. On this occassion with a player still to speak behind me i think i would choose the fold option rather than the reraise option, you have enough chips to play with and can pick better spots to steal and bully the table.

[londonpokergirl]

its unlucky

[NoflopsHomer]

Once you have seen the flop then yes for me its a call - to be honest though i dont think i would have called a preflop raise out of position with a marginal hand like Q-10 o/s especially getting towards the business end of a tourney.

When it gets late on in tourneys i will either raise or fold and tend not to flat call once the blinds get big enough to steal. On this occassion with a player still to speak behind me i think i would choose the fold option rather than the reraise option, you have enough chips to play with and can pick better spots to steal and bully the table.

 

The flat-calling of a large raise late on in a tournament is very suspicious, I don't know if Wardonkey can remember this hand, but last night on the final table of the $3.5k 6 handed, UTG limps for 300, UTG+1 raises to 1.5k, table folds round to UTG who just calls. Now seriously what can he be calling with that wouldn't be strong enough to raise with in the first place? Flop comes Q64 rainbow and UTG check/raises all-in with AA vs UTG+1's TT. Sometimes raising disguises the strength of your hand... Though it worked here...

[snoopy1239]

I don't like smooth calling a hand that can get cold-decked if it hits. The likelihood of the initial raiser holding a dominating hand makes it a risky cal. In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with releasing the big blind to a minimum raise with a hand like this.

There's also nothing wrong though with calling though, especially if there is value from the limper, but don't get overly attached if you hit.

tricky one tho

[tantrum]

I only called because it was minimum raise.... and perhaps it taught me a lesson.

I like sometimes to call minim raises with any two, esp connectors.

He re-raises min with one limper before him so this is strange and weak raise . Now I know he hates AQ.
You see my first instinct told me AQ... but then I though perhaps AK ... now thinking about it I should have folded as it was a raise from UTG.  This guy commented later this is first time his AQ was lucky.  The only thing made me call was his all in which is a bad play as I could have had KQ for all what he knows or KK.  Unlucky and not a big deal.  I have put notes on him and next time I will think twice to call his all in as he does not come across as a maniac.
Thanks for your comments, very helpful