Ruling?

[Rod Paradise]

Game last night - 2 guys still in the hand, big bet, one folds. The guy who won the hand showed an ace.

Someone not playing says if you show one card you've to show both.

I thought this was if there's been a showdown, not after a fold.

Anyone clarify the ruling please?

[ifm]

You only have to reveal your cards at showdown.

[matt674]

There was a rule brought into the WSOP for this years events where if you showed one card at the table and someone else requested to see your other card you had to show it.

It was referred to as "the needle rule" and it meant that people were a lot less willing to show just the one card!!

[Rod Paradise]

Cheers ifm - the guy complaining (in a friendly manner) was contending that as the hand winner chose to show one card (the A) - he had to show both. I didn't think so.

[Rod Paradise]

There was a rule brought into the WSOP for this years events where if you showed one card at the table and someone else requested to see your other card you had to show it.

It was referred to as "the needle rule" and it meant that people were a lot less willing to show just the one card!!

Ah right. So the guy who asked had no grounds to do so as he wasn't in the game, but another player could have.

[ifm]

Maybe he got the show one, show all rule confused with the showdown rule?

[Rod Paradise]

Maybe he got the show on, show all rule confused with the showdown rule?

Likely.

[matt674]

Sorry, i'm referring to a rule that they brought in at the WSOP this year - i doubt any casino or cardroom in the UK has picked up on it yet.

If a player shows one of his cards after the hand has finished and there was no showdown (for instance he reraises preflop and forces everyone else to pass then he turns up just one ace) then anyone else at the table could ask to see what the other card was. He was then forced to show the second card before the cards were mucked.

This lead to players trying to muck one card before exposing the second or more often than not players just not exposing their cards at all.

[londonpokergirl]

Sorry, i'm referring to a rule that they brought in at the WSOP this year - i doubt any casino or cardroom in the UK has picked up on it yet.

If a player shows one of his cards after the hand has finished and there was no showdown (for instance he reraises preflop and forces everyone else to pass then he turns up just one ace) then anyone else at the table could ask to see what the other card was. He was then forced to show the second card before the cards were mucked.

This lead to players trying to muck one card before exposing the second or more often than not players just not exposing their cards at all.

Show one card, show both is a rule that Roy Houghton used to use down at gutshot

Have to say I didn't like that rule in WSOP it means you see less cards from people and don't gain as much information off players as you'd like to

[matt674]

Have to say I didn't like that rule in WSOP it means you see less cards from people and don't gain as much information off players as you'd like to

 

I know some people who will show an ace without fail if they raise and take down a pot with one in their hand - meaning that if they dont show either card then they are raising without an ace. With that information to hand its easy then to pick up on other tells to work out what they are holding

[mikkyT]

Game last night - 2 guys still in the hand, big bet, one folds. The guy who won the hand showed an ace.

Someone not playing says if you show one card you've to show both.

I thought this was if there's been a showdown, not after a fold.

Anyone clarify the ruling please?

"Show one show all" applies only to showing one person showing everyone. If you show one person at the table your card you must show everyone.

It doesn't apply to showing only one card

You only have to show cards at a showdown. Whoever said that is trying it on. Regardless, the rules of the establishment override. So all you say is "not here they don't".

[AdamM]

we had this at Notts last week. a player won a pot and flashed one card then passed them face down as he collected the chips. the player dealer looked at the unshown card then turned it over. "show one show all" he said, knowing damn well that means show one person, show everyone. the guy who's cards had been exposed went nuts, and I think rightly so. he asked for the guy to be given a warning, he refused to deal so wasnt shown a yellow card as he should have been. this was all on the table next to me but is was the noisiest table all night.

pass them face down and get it quietly then all this is avoided