Not a good time to hit a set.....

[M3boy]

Nh sir.

I was very surprised to see both players display very basic tells on the hand. They act almost like beginners. Did anyone else spot them?

Go on, tell us Keith.

When Negreanu hits his set on the flop he sits with arms crossed and doesn't look at the board, feigning indifference.

Then when Gus makes quads he blinks repeatedly for a few seconds, like when someone pretends to hit you but stops just short. The deck of course hit him hard on the turn.

Remarkable that two such big names give off such tells.

Yes Keith, I agree - so what is your take on this?

Such obvious tells, and by great players - do you think the show is "for real" or just for "tv" ?
Or does it just show that even great players make basic errors?

[riverdave]

Have to say I think Negreanu made a crying call and he knew it. Not saying it's an easy pass but you can tell from his reaction after he thinks about the allin bet that he kind of knows he is beat. Had i not known the result of the pot before watching it looking at his reactions i thought he was about to make a very good laydown but then he calls anyway.

[boldie]

Have to say I think Negreanu made a crying call and he knew it. Not saying it's an easy pass but you can tell from his reaction after he thinks about the allin bet that he kind of knows he is beat. Had i not known the result of the pot before watching it looking at his reactions i thought he was about to make a very good laydown but then he calls anyway.

I'd agree with that...I am not saying I could have made the lay down here (after all only pocket 5's or 9's are beating him here and I haven't seen how Hansen bets pre-flop and all that) but you could see DN knew he was beat...and i would have loved to have seen him make the laydown here..now that would have been some play!

[The Camel]

Nh sir.

I was very surprised to see both players display very basic tells on the hand. They act almost like beginners. Did anyone else spot them?

Go on, tell us Keith.

When Negreanu hits his set on the flop he sits with arms crossed and doesn't look at the board, feigning indifference.

Then when Gus makes quads he blinks repeatedly for a few seconds, like when someone pretends to hit you but stops just short. The deck of course hit him hard on the turn.

Remarkable that two such big names give off such tells.

Yes Keith, I agree - so what is your take on this?

Such obvious tells, and by great players - do you think the show is "for real" or just for "tv" ?
Or does it just show that even great players make basic errors?

I'm pretty sure the show is for real...  I guess when the pot is big enough to buy a house with the pressure is pretty immense and it's hard to control your emotions.

I loved Gus letting Negreanu slide for the $700. Quality television.

[boldie]

Nh sir.

I was very surprised to see both players display very basic tells on the hand. They act almost like beginners. Did anyone else spot them?

Go on, tell us Keith.

When Negreanu hits his set on the flop he sits with arms crossed and doesn't look at the board, feigning indifference.

Then when Gus makes quads he blinks repeatedly for a few seconds, like when someone pretends to hit you but stops just short. The deck of course hit him hard on the turn.

Remarkable that two such big names give off such tells.

Yes Keith, I agree - so what is your take on this?

Such obvious tells, and by great players - do you think the show is "for real" or just for "tv" ?
Or does it just show that even great players make basic errors?

I'm pretty sure the show is for real...  I guess when the pot is big enough to buy a house with the pressure is pretty immense and it's hard to control your emotions.

exactly..not hard to spot a "tell" when you're not in the hand...it's when you're in the hand you have to spot them...and when the pressure is on that's the tricky part I guess.

[BrumBilly]

Gus seems prone to that rapid type blinking all the time so I couldn't really read anything into that. I think Negreanu pretty much suspected he was beat and with Hansen's style he could have anything.  Daniel seems to be 'enjoying' the moment and wants everyone to pay attention to the hand at which point you can hear the voice of Brunson saying he's seen much bigger hands (or something to that effect) which made me chuckle.

[nirvana]

I think the tells thing just signifies that we over rate the ability to spot tells. It's also potentially a significant indicator of the power of hindsight and being able to see something once all the facts are available.

It's like now I can see that my wife gave me some tells that I read correctly since she and I our proud parents now, however, many other times I thought I saw those tells but was quickly disabused of the notion that me and the tellee were going to try to make babies.

xx

[Royal Flush]

the check on the river from gus is absolute class!

It's horrible!!!

why James, if he correctly puts DN on a monster, and knowing that DN will make a play at it, why is it horrible?

Lead out and let DN raise!!! He nearly lost DN to the check raise.

[ariston]

If he leads the river for a sizeable bet DN calls and he loses money. My take on the hand was when he check raised the flop DN believed he was on a draw or had the str8. When he led the turn DN believed he had the 5 meaning he had a pair and a str8 draw on the flop (ie 57 or 58). The check raise on the river puts DN in all sorts of problems because gus would also make this play with 58 certainly. Both guys played the hand unbelievably and any man saying he could lay down full to gus hansen on this board is just lying. As for the tells GUs always blinks and nods in every hand he plays but he did "freeze" for a split second when the 5 fell. Its easy to spot tells when we can see hole cards and we can read reactions based on the extra information we have. As for DN looking dissinterested you have to remember this is a cash game and they had been sat there for the neck end of 12 hours when this hand came up- its easy to look uninterested in most pots after a 12 hour stretch, he has to call Eli Elezra's attention to whats going on during the hand as Eli is not paying any attention to such a huge pot.

[M3boy]

If he leads the river for a sizeable bet DN calls and he loses money. My take on the hand was when he check raised the flop DN believed he was on a draw or had the str8. When he led the turn DN believed he had the 5 meaning he had a pair and a str8 draw on the flop (ie 57 or 58). The check raise on the river puts DN in all sorts of problems because gus would also make this play with 58 certainly. Both guys played the hand unbelievably and any man saying he could lay down full to gus hansen on this board is just lying. As for the tells GUs always blinks and nods in every hand he plays but he did "freeze" for a split second when the 5 fell. Its easy to spot tells when we can see hole cards and we can read reactions based on the extra information we have. As for DN looking dissinterested you have to remember this is a cash game and they had been sat there for the neck end of 12 hours when this hand came up- its easy to look uninterested in most pots after a 12 hour stretch, he has to call Eli Elezra's attention to whats going on during the hand as Eli is not paying any attention to such a huge pot.

Yes I must admit, seeing the hole cards makes tells easier to see - even the "size" of the bet and "how" the bet is made gets you saying "oh my god, he is making it sooo obvious what he has, surely the other guy wont fall for it??" - Generally speaking, not about that GH DN hand.

Thats one reason why I like to watch poker on TV when you can see the hole cards.