Another Cash Game Question

[Graham C]

It's not related to a certain hand but in cash games, if there are 5 or so callers and no raises around to you in the BB, is it often a good move to raise it up by just under the pot/pot amount?  Generally would this be considered a +ev play if you do it every now and again - not every round.

I see this happening from time to time and I can't work out if it's because they have a decent hand or that they are banking on everyone folding.  Even when someone does call, the original raiser sticks a bet in on the flop and then the other guy usually folds. 

Seems a good move to me if you don't do it that often.

Thoughts?  I need some of your cash game secrets

[Royal Flush]

It's not related to a certain hand but in cash games, if there are 5 or so callers and no raises around to you in the BB, is it often a good move to raise it up by just under the pot/pot amount?  Generally would this be considered a +ev play if you do it every now and again - not every round.

I see this happening from time to time and I can't work out if it's because they have a decent hand or that they are banking on everyone folding.  Even when someone does call, the original raiser sticks a bet in on the flop and then the other guy usually folds. 

Seems a good move to me if you don't do it that often.

Thoughts?  I need some of your cash game secrets

It is a good move but as with anything its player dependant, if its the tighter players who have limped then it works. If its the lose players then i don't advise it!

[leighton_87]

It's not related to a certain hand but in cash games, if there are 5 or so callers and no raises around to you in the BB, is it often a good move to raise it up by just under the pot/pot amount?  Generally would this be considered a +ev play if you do it every now and again - not every round.

I see this happening from time to time and I can't work out if it's because they have a decent hand or that they are banking on everyone folding.  Even when someone does call, the original raiser sticks a bet in on the flop and then the other guy usually folds. 

Seems a good move to me if you don't do it that often.

Thoughts?  I need some of your cash game secrets

It is a good move but as with anything its player dependant, if its the tighter players who have limped then it works. If its the lose players then i don't advise it!

It also depends on the levels, I've tried this a few times at micro levels and i normally seem to get 5 callers and can't see that being +ev over time.

[ACE2M]

It's a reasonable play as you are usually first to act come the flop and get to represent if called, the size of the pot also means that you can put in a normal bet in relation to the pot but this will be a pretty weighty bet and hence less likely to get called or get moved on as it will cost a lump.

Tightish tables ideally, but as with all cunning plays do it with a hand that may hit the flop hard not 9,2os.

Leighton beat me to it but yes doing this at 0.25/0.50 and below is probably very - ev

[SupaMonkey]

I do this in tournaments quite a bit. I usually add 5*BB to my blind.

You want the first limper in the pot to be someone who limps quite a lot because their hand is likely to be weak and won't be able to stand that much of a reraise. Everyone limping behind the first limper is usually weak, it's the first guy you have to worry about. i.e. you may get a caller behind them (could be 7-7 etc.) but they won't be that strong because they didn't reraise the loose person to start with.

I never do this if someone limps UTG.

I almost always do this is the first limper is in middle to late position. Anyone limping this late is limping with crap and deserves to lose their money.

If you get a lot of callers let it go postflop, against one or two callers CB unless you think the flop will have hit them (remember their hands are weak so you are likely to be up against suited connectors and weak aces so be wary of aces but not face cards).

[Bongo]

I find this works best if you announce "limpers tax" to the table before raising.

[SupaMonkey]