Opinions

[GlasgowBandit]

Right folks fire away on how this one was played see what you think.

Playing live I'm on the BB and I lookk down and find pocket 6's.  We are 8 handed and UTG, UTG +1, UTG + 2, UTG + 3 all call blinds are 25/50.  It then folds around to me and I call.  SB then makes it a further 100 to go, SB I rckon to be a weak player just likes firing chips into a pot with any A pre flop and is likely to fold to a re-raise.  BB calls and so to does UTG.  BB is a new player never seen him before in the first few hands though I thought he was pretty fishy I seen him play K 5 o as well J 4 sooted!!!  and UTG is a fairly competent player I reckon he has tried to sneak in with suited connectors.  I also feel he is capable of making a lay down to a bigger bet.

After the raise of a 100 has gone in all the other limpers fold and its back on me to act.  I think about it for a few minutes trying to think best what to do.  My thought process is to bet the pot and get rid of the SB, and UTG.  I reckon that the BB is staying in with any two cards.  And I am hoping at worse I am racing with him.  Looking at my stack I have 275 back if I bet the pot here.  So I decide to push all in and making the decision harder for them.  The fact that nobody other than SB had bet out at it made me think they where kinda weak also.

So I ship it in, SB immediately passes and UTG also calls.  Which I thought was kinda strange.

BB has pockets 9's and UTG has KJo.  Flop improved no-ones hand.  and the 9's took the lot.  The guy proceeded to donk away all his chips in the next 20 minutes or so when pushing with junk like 54o 8 4 sooted! and my fav Q 3o on a board of 789 rainbow.

I was quizzing the fella and trying to get as much info out of him as possible to see if I could understand the reasons behine the call.  I was curious to figure out the thought process he had used and I wanted to know what range of hands he put me on.  I succeeded in putting the guy on tilt but the rest of the table seemed to think his call was a good one, so too they thought about the KJo one guy even comented that he would have called the bet with any pair.  this is a fruit and nut and I have in the past seen him donk off 30 k in chips at a final table when well above average and going home empty handed.

Was my push with the 6's a decent play at the time?  Or should I have been content to peel off a flop and then pass to bet?  Hindsight is great, but having thought it out pre-flop I actually thought I was ahead.

[tantrum]

I am not sure that 66 is a good hand to push against players that will call you with any two.  Your 66 against KJ are on the coin flip, against KQ you are slightly under dog, against any bigger pairs your are trying to suck out, so early in the tourney going all in with 66 is a very lose push. You have 3 opponents in the pot already, so the likehood that you will get called is great. 

Your table image is important and what do you think they thought you had in the first place? 

Are you considered as a player who raises with big hands, or limps with them? You did not show any strenght 1st time round of betting, so probably the others thought that your hand is small pp/marginal holding = coin flip for them.

If you push in this situation, there are only two reasons to do so; 1, you want to get called as you have superior hand, 2. you want to take the pot down.  If you want to take the pot down, your stack has to be big enough so u won't get busted and you will pose the threat to others so they will have to risk their life tournament if they were to call you, then of course the only hand will likely to call you is the hand that will dominates you, and with 66 you are easily dominated.

I am not in a big favour of going all in so early in the tourney, unless I play against weak/bad players and have AA/KK sometimes QQ.  I would call extra bet as there seeem to be enough money in the pot already to justify my call, but once I missed the flop I am done with my hand.

[thetank]

The 9's should know you have nothing spectacular.

Only a terrible player (or some sort of deep stacked genious) would limp on the button with AA/KK/QQ and give 6 people a free chance to bust him. The move screams of small pair and the 9's probably did make a good call.

Agree with tantrum, if theres a guy calling with any two, dont push your mini-pair pre-flop. That's like giving up any edge you may have on him and just gambling.

Beat the muppets post flop, or have a pair bigger than Queens in the hole. Anything else is just punting. 

[totalise]

Bandit

your post is kind of confusing and i couldn't make it out so well, but are you saying that you cant understand the call with 99 or the call with KJ?

If its the call with 99, look at your action first time round, you have limped behind a lot of people, you arent (often) doing this with AA--JJ, so he only has to fear 1010 otherwise he is racing with dead money in the pot, or he has you pissed on with a small pair. The 99 call is more then ok

If its the KJ you are questioning, well that confuses me as well. After the event i am sure he will be content to say "i put them both on small pairs and took a race getting 2/1 on my money" or other such nonsense. Its a bone headed call

the push with 66 isnt terrible if you can accurately deduce that you are gonna be racing if called/you get them folding a high % of the time (which I have reason to suspect you cant)....but if you are hoping to make it look like you have a trickily played big hand, you aren't gonna convince anyone of that

As for this:

I succeeded in putting the guy on tilt

congratulations, at least you are concentrating on the right things at the table.

[Mbuna]

The KJ is getting just over 3:1 on his call, he is about 38% so its a good call

[ifm]

The KJ is getting just over 3:1 on his call, he is about 38% so its a good call

I think you can put too much into odds in situations like this, i happen to think it's more relative to stack size than odds.
I believe it to be a bad call, i would say a huge percentage of times you get this type of betting in front of you there is usually a pair of some sort along with either a bigger pair (JJ-AA) or a big ace (AJ-AK).
Against either scenario he is in big trouble, though with a large stack it is a standard call.

[thetank]

Personally I think its a daft call whatever your stack size, but that's just me.

Anyway, just coz he made a bad call, that doesn't mean you were right to push.

[Mbuna]

I agree absolutly, infact no way am i playing KJo UTG 8 handed Full stop , i was just pointing out that because of the limpfest and silly 100 raise by the sb you can almost justify playing NE2

[SupaMonkey]

UTG is getting odds as long as no one has aces or kings.

Greenstein talks about making these calls to win big stacks in multi table tournaments (in his book). Basically he says that you should take these gambles in order to get a big stack and give yourself a chance to win the tournament. Many times the fast blind structure catches up with people so he says you shouldn't be sitting around waiting for that to happen. He doesn't say it, but having a nice big stack is a reason not to gamble here and i wouldn't take this gamble in a STT.

[thetank]

UTG is getting odds as long as no one has aces or kings.
 

We'd all be millionaires if no-one has aces or kings.