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moritzey
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Question concerning statistics: High-card up to two pair
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January 04, 2007, 07:15:37 PM »
I invested into pokertracker in November and my statistics are slowly beginning to reach a size that allows to draw conclusions about my play. In particular, I was looking at my 'Known Final Hand Summary' earlier on. My Won%at Showdown is below 50% for High Card, One Pair and Two Pair (44% for that), and those three totals are negative, too.
I was wondering, is that the same for everyone else, i.e. that you only have a positive net total from three of a kind onwards? I can understand the high card bit, but was thinking that for pairs and even more for two pair, I should have a positive expectation?
Second question, if anyone knows, as this statistic only shows the results when it went to showdown, is there a statistic that includes hands where my bet induced a fold?
Any comments would be appreciated.
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Re: Question concerning statistics: High-card up to two pair
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January 04, 2007, 08:12:48 PM »
Quote from: moritzey on January 04, 2007, 07:15:37 PM
I invested into pokertracker in November and my statistics are slowly beginning to reach a size that allows to draw conclusions about my play. In particular, I was looking at my 'Known Final Hand Summary' earlier on. My Won%at Showdown is below 50% for High Card, One Pair and Two Pair (44% for that), and those three totals are negative, too.
I was wondering, is that the same for everyone else, i.e. that you only have a positive net total from three of a kind onwards? I can understand the high card bit, but was thinking that for pairs and even more for two pair, I should have a positive expectation?
Second question, if anyone knows, as this statistic only shows the results when it went to showdown, is there a statistic that includes hands where my bet induced a fold?
Any comments would be appreciated.
I'm pretty certain that the hand type includes hands folded e.g you fold 72 in the bb after a raise and a call the flop is AA2 this shows as 2pr and a loss of a big blind.
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jakally
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Re: Question concerning statistics: High-card up to two pair
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January 04, 2007, 08:25:38 PM »
Moritzey, I 've only been using PT for a couple of months so my data may be a bit flawed (About 30,000 hands).
If it helps my stats are 1 pair 46.2%, and 2 pair 59.6%.
Not sure how to interpret data yet, and have focussed more on using it to categorise opponents.
(Showdown stats dont include folded hands)
Jak.
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doubleup
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Re: Question concerning statistics: High-card up to two pair
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January 04, 2007, 08:39:59 PM »
The won at showdown stats obviously don't include folded hands, but the monetary totals on the same table do. The showdown % also include hands that you would've folded to a river bet e.g you call with a flush draw and hit bottom pair and the river goes check/check.
All in all this summary is pretty useless.
Edit hmmm oddly my stats on crypto appear to include every hand i.e folded or not, but the stats on stars don't......
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Re: Question concerning statistics: High-card up to two pair
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January 04, 2007, 08:42:07 PM »
I'm red for those three hands as well (2 pair only just).
Bear in mind that the Two Pair category covers lots of situations with a paired board, when two pair is not actually a very strong hand at all.
In Poker Office you can filter more than in PT - for me here Two Pair with a paired board is red, whereas Two Pair when the board is not paired is green.
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moritzey
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Re: Question concerning statistics: High-card up to two pair
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January 05, 2007, 09:57:53 AM »
OK, cool, thanks for all your replies. What Andrew just said makes a lot of sense, I suppose, as in that two pair isn't necessarily a very strong hand as such, and also the thing about missed flush-draws / straight-draws that could appear as one or two pair in the statistic - it would be nice to be able to filter those hands out, or even better, filter out all hands that were checked-down from the blinds .. will have a closer look at the software later to see if I can find something like that.
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