blonde poker forum
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
July 19, 2025, 11:41:02 AM

Login with username, password and session length
Search:     Advanced search
2262315 Posts in 66605 Topics by 16990 Members
Latest Member: Enut
* Home Help Arcade Search Calendar Guidelines Login Register
+  blonde poker forum
|-+  Poker Forums
| |-+  The Rail
| | |-+  Question concerning statistics: High-card up to two pair
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. « previous next »
Pages: [1] Go Down Print
Author Topic: Question concerning statistics: High-card up to two pair  (Read 1254 times)
moritzey
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 597


View Profile
« on: January 04, 2007, 07:15:37 PM »

I invested into pokertracker in November and my statistics are slowly beginning to reach a size that allows to draw conclusions about my play. In particular, I was looking at my 'Known Final Hand Summary' earlier on. My Won%at Showdown is below 50% for High Card, One Pair and Two Pair (44% for that), and those three totals are negative, too.

I was wondering, is that the same for everyone else, i.e. that you only have a positive net total from three of a kind onwards? I can understand the high card bit, but was thinking that for pairs and even more for two pair, I should have a positive expectation?

Second question, if anyone knows, as this statistic only shows the results when it went to showdown, is there a statistic that includes hands where my bet induced a fold?

Any comments would be appreciated.


Logged
doubleup
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 7126


View Profile
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2007, 08:12:48 PM »

I invested into pokertracker in November and my statistics are slowly beginning to reach a size that allows to draw conclusions about my play. In particular, I was looking at my 'Known Final Hand Summary' earlier on. My Won%at Showdown is below 50% for High Card, One Pair and Two Pair (44% for that), and those three totals are negative, too.

I was wondering, is that the same for everyone else, i.e. that you only have a positive net total from three of a kind onwards? I can understand the high card bit, but was thinking that for pairs and even more for two pair, I should have a positive expectation?

Second question, if anyone knows, as this statistic only shows the results when it went to showdown, is there a statistic that includes hands where my bet induced a fold?

Any comments would be appreciated.



I'm pretty certain that the hand type includes hands folded e.g you fold 72 in the bb after a raise and a call the flop is AA2 this shows as 2pr and a loss of a big blind.
Logged
jakally
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2003



View Profile
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2007, 08:25:38 PM »


Moritzey, I 've only been using PT for a couple of months so my data may be a bit flawed (About 30,000 hands).

If it helps my stats are 1 pair 46.2%, and 2 pair 59.6%.
Not sure how to interpret data yet, and have focussed more on using it to categorise opponents.

(Showdown stats dont include folded hands)

Jak.


Logged
doubleup
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 7126


View Profile
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2007, 08:39:59 PM »

The won at showdown stats obviously don't include folded hands, but the monetary totals on the same table do.  The showdown % also include hands that you would've folded to a river bet e.g you call with a flush draw and hit bottom pair and the river goes check/check.

All in all this summary is pretty useless.


Edit hmmm oddly my stats on crypto appear to include every hand i.e folded or not, but the stats on stars don't......
« Last Edit: January 04, 2007, 08:46:12 PM by doubleup » Logged
AndrewT
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 15483



View Profile WWW
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2007, 08:42:07 PM »

I'm red for those three hands as well (2 pair only just).

Bear in mind that the Two Pair category covers lots of situations with a paired board, when two pair is not actually a very strong hand at all.

In Poker Office you can filter more than in PT - for me here Two Pair with a paired board is red, whereas Two Pair when the board is not paired is green.
Logged
moritzey
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 597


View Profile
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2007, 09:57:53 AM »

OK, cool, thanks for all your replies. What Andrew just said makes a lot of sense, I suppose, as in that two pair isn't necessarily a very strong hand as such, and also the thing about missed flush-draws / straight-draws that could appear as one or two pair in the statistic - it would be nice to be able to filter those hands out, or even better, filter out all hands that were checked-down from the blinds .. will have a closer look at the software later to see if I can find something like that.
Logged
Pages: [1] Go Up Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.109 seconds with 20 queries.