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« on: September 20, 2005, 04:38:43 PM »

Prior to this hand KillerKate was going all in every hand like a lunatic. She'd just gone from $850 down to $12 then back up to $50, all through pre flop all ins. Nicu was after her chips in every pot. I am "paired up". I havent played a hand at this table for 20 mins.

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Hand #8370632-4580 at Bend (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 20/Sep/05 11:21:16
 
     34inchwaist is at seat 0 with $395.70.
     KillerKate is at seat 1 with $47.95.
     nicu666 is at seat 2 with $601.
     Reds777 is at seat 4 with $880.90 (sitting out).
     paired up is at seat 5 with $237.15.
     crip17 is at seat 6 with $446.80.
     FonkeyBBQ is at seat 8 with $414.
     no surrender is at seat 9 with $560.85.
     The button is at seat 2.
     
     paired up posts the small blind of $2.
     crip17 posts the big blind of $4.

     34inchwaist:  -- --
     KillerKate:  -- --
     nicu666:  -- --
     paired up: 
     crip17:  -- --
     FonkeyBBQ:  -- --
     no surrender:  -- --

Pre-flop:
 
          FonkeyBBQ folds.   no surrender folds.   34inchwaist
          folds.   KillerKate goes all-in for $47.95.   nicu666
          calls.   paired up goes all-in for $237.15.   crip17
          folds.   nicu666 calls.   

Flop (board: ):
 
        (no action in this round)
         

Turn (board: ):
 
        (no action in this round)
         

River (board: ):
 
        (no action in this round)
         

         

Showdown:
 
     paired up shows .
     paired up has : two pair, kings and nines.
     KillerKate shows .
     KillerKate has : full house, nines full of jacks.
     nicu666 shows .
     nicu666 has : two pair, aces and nines.
         

Hand #8370632-4580 Summary:
 
     $3 is raked from a total pot of $526.25.
               $3 is raked from the main pot of $147.85.
               $0 is raked from side pot #1 of $378.40.
     KillerKate wins the main pot $144.85 with full house, nines full of jacks.
     nicu666 wins the side pot $378.40 with two pair, aces and nines.
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If I had taken a flop here I would almost certainly have won the pot. Should I have flat called pre flop and protected my stack from an ace or should I have protected my hand by reraising like I did?
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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2005, 05:04:00 PM »

I think it depends on how loose your table is, but because KillerKate is playing any junk, you could argue that other people are going to call with weaker hands like nicu did. Protecting your hand is fine here, nicu is not getting great odds, so it's unlucky he rivers an ace. Perfectly well played.

It's important to point out you'd have still lost $50 if you only call, as nicu would fold after the flop, therefore you made the correct play. Though just to mix it up sometimes, I would advise a call every now and then and not a raise.
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2005, 05:09:38 PM »

It's important to point out you'd have still lost $50 if you only call, as nicu would fold after the flop, therefore you made the correct play.

Good point. But I would have ONLY lost $50.

Dont get me wrong in a tourney it's going in, but I think maybe I sould have flat called here and taken a flop. Especially suspecting Nicu is weak.
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2005, 05:16:02 PM »

if your playing to protect yourself from losing too much then a call would of been fine
but if your playing to maximise your winnings then you need to raise to isolate
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2005, 05:19:04 PM »

Yes but the majority of the time you're winning over $270. I think you made the right move.
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2005, 05:22:37 PM »

if your playing to protect yourself from losing too much then a call would of been fine
but if your playing to maximise your winnings then you need to raise to isolate

Again a good point. To truly maximise though dont I want Nicu in the pot? More often than not I will win against him and if he catches a 10 high flop I take his entire stack.
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2005, 05:23:57 PM »

Yes but the majority of the time you're winning over $270. I think you made the right move.

Very true but not everyone will call such a big bet with A10 pre flop.  Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2005, 05:27:44 PM »

Yes but the majority of the time you're winning over $270. I think you made the right move.

Very true but not everyone will call such a big bet with A10 pre flop.  Smiley

But he was bananas to call, therefore you want play as many pots against him as possible.
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2005, 05:31:56 PM »

Yes but the majority of the time you're winning over $270. I think you made the right move.

Very true but not everyone will call such a big bet with A10 pre flop.  Smiley

But he was bananas to call, therefore you want play as many pots against him as possible.

Yeah true. I probably dont want a guy like this catching the flop.
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2005, 05:37:21 PM »

Yes but the majority of the time you're winning over $270. I think you made the right move.

Very true but not everyone will call such a big bet with A10 pre flop.  Smiley

But he was bananas to call, therefore you want play as many pots against him as possible.

Yeah true. I probably dont want a guy like this catching the flop.

I think that if you're going to double your cash, getting it in with a hand that is 70% vs an ace is pretty good and I'd take it everytime.
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2005, 07:30:00 PM »

I would say lump some more money on the table...there seems to be alot of dead money there..

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