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« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2008, 08:38:19 AM »

Poker is a gift, I have been playing cards for over 20 years, mainly bragg, shoot pontoon and the like, all gambling games, but poker for only 2 years now.  Now at the age of 48 I look at some of these young kids playing holdem and am insanely jealous that they have discovered the game at such a young age whilst I have missed out on so much.

As far as the talent aspect of the game is concerned, I think the players who are able to put opponents on a tight range of hands on a consisitent basis are gifted, there are one or two players I know who are able to do this (outside of the top echelon) and they are very succesfull at a local level.

The techniques, various plays and maths can all be taught, but it is the application of these that requires a degree of skill, and only experience will allow you to gain and hone these skills.

Luck is a big factor, but in a good player the luck element may apply to their hands holding up, where as in the less skillfull player the luck element will be alowing their hands to catch up and outdraw opponents.

You will also find that many of the succesfull players are also pretty succesfull in other aspects of their lives, be it sport work or business.

The Game itself is a gift, the components that make up a good player are much more complex than most other games you will come across.
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« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2008, 09:20:59 AM »

I can only speak from my own exprience.  I've never read a poker book or used any poker tools, and I'm a winning, but not masively so, player.  My live record is far better than my online record, which I think is because I rely a lot on watching people and make judgements (sometimes more gut instinct than logic) based on physiological reactions, speech play etc. 

I would say that online the games are probably beatable with sophisticated robots, but never in the live game where there is so much more information to be used than just the cards and the betting.

I reckon I would be able to spot a bot in a live game.............

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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2008, 09:46:02 AM »

Ah onlie dictionary to the rescue

GIFT abbreviation gamete intrafallopian transfer, an infertility treatment involving direct transfer of eggs and sperm into the woman's Fallopian tubes, where conception may occur. Compare in-vitro fertilization, ZIFT. Definitely nothing to do with poker

gift noun 1 something given; a present.in comparison to casino games definitely  2 a natural ability. everybody has different natural abilities so why not in poker. These natural abilities can of course be honed to a fine pointy thing3 the act or process of giving in poker definitely not. Taking yes giving no• the gift of a book. 4 colloq something easily obtained, made easily available or simply easy • The first exam question was a gift. verb (gifted, gifting) formal to give something as a present to someone. in someone's gift formal able to be given away by someone if they wish. look a gift horse in the mouth usually with negatives to find fault with or quibble over a gift or unexpected opportunity. gift of the gab see under gab. Quite possibly
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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2008, 11:22:49 AM »

i can teach a monkey to call with Q high and eventually win (making it a great poker player?)

The Medical Research Laboratory from 1996-2000 have already beaten you to it

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