NL50 (full ring): Turn straight against UTG nit

[Suited_Jock]

Villain is 9/3 over 300 hands real nit

$0.25/$0.5  No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at  weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Xeops ($69.30)
UTG+1 Sackboy ($10.00)
MP1 BigFritz333 ($49.50)
MP2 Cryno ($5.40)
MP3 Hero ($59.70)
CO marki7 ($20.00)
BTN HeisT10 ($10.00)
SB 7-cold-As-iCE-6 ($49.50)
BB sdz9393y ($59.75)
[marki7 posted $0.5]

Pre-flop: ($1.25, 9 players) Hero is MP3 : :
Xeops raises to $2.25, 3 folds, Hero calls $2.25, marki7 calls $1.75, 3 folds

Flop: : : :  ($7.50, 3 players)
Xeops bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, marki7 calls $3.50

Turn: :  ($18, 3 players)
Xeops bets $9.50, Hero raises to $19, marki7 folds, Xeops raises to $28.50, Hero goes all-in $53.95, Xeops calls $25.45

River: :  ($125.90, 2 players)

Final Pot: $125.90

[AlexMartin]

wp. v a 9/3 yeah i get this in all day long on the turn. but havent played full ring for eternity.

[Robbo63]

Yes you are almost certainly ahead on the turn I have no problems with all the money going in at this stage after all it is the board you hoping for with your initial call.  I presume he held a big PP or KA with the 
Not so keen on your pre-flop call from MP.

[AlexMartin]

Yes you are almost certainly ahead on the turn I have no problems with all the money going in at this stage after all it is the board you hoping for with your initial call.  I presume he held a big PP or KA with the 
Not so keen on your pre-flop call from MP.

yeah, the call is, in want of another word, shit.

[bolt pp]

Yes you are almost certainly ahead on the turn I have no problems with all the money going in at this stage after all it is the board you hoping for with your initial call.  I presume he held a big PP or KA with the 
Not so keen on your pre-flop call from MP.

yeah, the call is, in want of another word, shit.

in want of another word

wtf does that mean? don't say that then sell yourself short and just come out with: "shit",

I'll start you of with some others........bollox, awfull, terrible, pants..............now you take over...........

[Robbo63]

Yes you are almost certainly ahead on the turn I have no problems with all the money going in at this stage after all it is the board you hoping for with your initial call.  I presume he held a big PP or KA with the 
Not so keen on your pre-flop call from MP.

yeah, the call is, in want of another word, shit.

in want of another word

wtf does that mean? don't say that then sell yourself short and just come out with: "shit",

I'll start you of with some others........bollox, awfull, terrible, pants..............now you take over...........

  Gents I was  trying to be diplomatic but I think he should have the idea by now without the need for further comment.

[Moskvich]

I don't really get the problem with the preflop call - since the guy's playing 9/3 his UTG opening range is so ridiculously tight that you've got great implied odds (especially with more than full stacks). He's also more likely than most to stack off with an overpair, since he hardly plays anything else and is probably rubbish post-flop. You're not likely to get 3-bet behind you, assuming anyone else is paying any attention to the UTG raiser. You're pretty much fitting-or-folding on the flop, but given the above I think that's ok here. No..?

[byronkincaid]

I don't really get the problem with the preflop call - since the guy's playing 9/3 his UTG opening range is so ridiculously tight that you've got great implied odds (especially with more than full stacks). He's also more likely than most to stack off with an overpair, since he hardly plays anything else and is probably rubbish post-flop. You're not likely to get 3-bet behind you, assuming anyone else is paying any attention to the UTG raiser. You're pretty much fitting-or-folding on the flop, but given the above I think that's ok here. No..?

You need some FE on the flop to make the numbers right. You have none cos he is such a nit and won't fold his overpair no matter what.

if you call with 33 and hit your set you're 90% or whatever to stack him, if you call with 56 and hit some amazing super combo draw with like a zillion outs man you are nowhere near 90% equity

[gribbo]

I agree with moskvich i think the call is fine and your hand plays perfect postflop against a nit: u either miss and fold to hit bet or flop a draw, or two pair etc. Hands lke these are perfect to play against a guy with over a full buyin as you have potential to stack him. u should be calling with any two cards against someone as tight as this!

What was the result? U get four flushed?

[Suited_Jock]

Villain had  : .. it made up such a small % of his range I'm still happy with this.

[Robbo63]

I don't really get the problem with the preflop call - since the guy's playing 9/3 his UTG opening range is so ridiculously tight that you've got great implied odds (especially with more than full stacks). He's also more likely than most to stack off with an overpair, since he hardly plays anything else and is probably rubbish post-flop. You're not likely to get 3-bet behind you, assuming anyone else is paying any attention to the UTG raiser. You're pretty much fitting-or-folding on the flop, but given the above I think that's ok here. No..?

Obviously it is dependent on the dynamics of the table and at lower limits the play is more passive but I wouldn't be so confident you won’t get squeezed.

I agree with moskvich i think the call is fine and your hand plays perfect postflop against a nit: u either miss and fold to hit bet or flop a draw, or two pair etc. Hands lke these are perfect to play against a guy with over a full buyin as you have potential to stack him. u should be calling with any two cards against someone as tight as this!

What was the result? U get four flushed?

Agreed you just have reach a flop cheaply.

[AlexMartin]

I don't really get the problem with the preflop call - since the guy's playing 9/3 his UTG opening range is so ridiculously tight that you've got great implied odds (especially with more than full stacks). He's also more likely than most to stack off with an overpair, since he hardly plays anything else and is probably rubbish post-flop. You're not likely to get 3-bet behind you, assuming anyone else is paying any attention to the UTG raiser. You're pretty much fitting-or-folding on the flop, but given the above I think that's ok here. No..?

deffo not a problem in v late position i agree. problem is we are gonna get raised a bunch pre/ never see the river with most  standard draws given pot size (multiple callers inflating pot on flop, therefore turn). i agree with ur principles mosk, just full ring i dont like it here.