What would be the call in your Card Room?

[relaedgc]

I went and checked because I hate being told that I'm wrong. I'm not.

All out of turn actions stand. The actions of other players whether they raise, go all in or merely call are all irrelevant. If you go all in, you're all in. End of.

[Girgy85]

I went and checked because I hate being told that I'm wrong. I'm not.

All out of turn actions stand. The actions of other players whether they raise, go all in or merely call are all irrelevant. If you go all in, you're all in. End of.

Depends which card room your in mate!!

[relaedgc]

Well, I am going by the GUKPT/Grosvenor rules.

[phatomch]

Any out of turn action must stand.

Two players left with cards.

* Player A bets 2500 all-in but he has acted out of turn and the bet is returned to him.

Having gone all-in out of turn, he is now all-in irrelevant of what happens with Player B. In this case, Player B puts in the 2500 and the cards are on their backs. Player A does not have, nor should he be afforded, the opportunity to fold. He already declared that he is all in and all out of turn action must stand.

* Player B bets 2500 and turns his cards over before Player A has the chance to act.

He has called the out of turn action and assumed correctly the cards are on their backs.

totally incorrect under every set of rules (tda, gukpt,wsop etc). The bet stands unless there is an aggresive action before him. If it had been a limp then that would be different and the limp would have to stand but because he has raised he doesnt have to call or do anything. He has the option of calling or folding thanks to the other guy raising to 2500.

What you should do if someone bets out of turn is check as the bet then has to stand. If you call the bet also has to stand. If you raise it opens up the fold option of the out of turn better.

relaedgc is right here, the action has not changed to player A his initial bet of 2500 (although out of turn) has not been exceeded so he must call, it does state that in gukpt / grosvenor rules because I wrote the lil duckers.

[gatso]

sigh. why is it that when what we really need is a universal set of rules grosvenor have to write a different set of rules from the rest of the world?


"Verbal Declarations in turn are binding. Action out of turn may be binding, and will be binding if the action to that player has not changed, a check, call, or fold is not considered action changing. "

is the tda and wsop rule and works fine for everyone else

[Cf]

But the action to player A has changed. Instead of betting into an unopened pot he is now facing a bet of 2500. He now has the right to reevaluate what to do, and has even been given the information of what hand he is up against.

I've just looked at the GUKPT rules and it does cover this:

"Verbal declarations in turn are binding, verbal declarations out of turn will be binding if the action to that player has not changed when it is their turn to act, check, call or fold is not considered an action change."

In this case player A did not check/call/fold - he bet, this is action changing.

They also have a rule which is very ambigously worded:

"All action out of turn goes. A player who bets out of turn will be penalised for that round only."

I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean as the first quoted rule covers this situation well enough.

[phatomch]

well thats the penalty for acting out of turn, pay attention to the game and you dont get penalised.

[relaedgc]

I clarified this very topic at the GUKPT. The Tournament directors stated quite firmly that all out of turn action is binding. If you declare all in out of turn, you're always going to be all in.

As for them always "changing their rules", I much prefer theirs to the WSOP. Whereby people have won pots with no cards and pulled other ridiculous stunts. They've got a good set of TD's and the tournaments always run smoothly without issue.