QQ In Big blind facing a 4-Bet

[Rod]

Hi Guy's

Am interested in some opinions on this hand I get dealt QQ not long after joining the table. I get in this hand with jonpon and he has been playing tight but I only have 17 hands on him. He was playing 12/6 and had not made any 3-Bets. When he raises from the button I have to reraise but when he raises me back what is the best play. Not 100% sure my shove is correct.

GAME #1710584086: Texas Hold'em NL $0.25/$0.50 2009-07-05 11:45:28
Table Bally (No DP 50 bb min)
Seat 1: TimeGoesForGood ($60.79 in chips)
Seat 3: KoiNoi ($49.00 in chips) DEALER
Seat 5: jonpon ($136.66 in chips)
Seat 6: Rodder5 ($44.76 in chips)
Seat 10: BOTSUP ($111.56 in chips)
jonpon: Post SB $0.25
Rodder5: Post BB $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rodder5 [ ]
BOTSUP: Fold
TimeGoesForGood: Fold
KoiNoi: Fold
jonpon: Raise (NF) $1.50
Rodder5: Raise (NF) $5.00
jonpon: Raise (NF) $12.00
Rodder5: Raise (NF) $44.76

[DaveShoelace]

I think in this spot, with no concrete reads, I think I am opting to flat the 4-bet with a view to check raising all in on a favourable flop (ie. no ace or king, assume he is gonna c-bet all his ace-x hands etc) - I think it just keeps in a few more of the hands you want in there.

[TightEnd]

I think in this spot, with no concrete reads, I think I am opting to flat the 4-bet with a view to check raising all in on a favourable flop (ie. no ace or king, assume he is gonna c-bet all his ace-x hands etc) - I think it just keeps in a few more of the hands you want in there.

and you check fold on any A and/or K flop?

where he c-bets JJ for example.

[GreekStein]

I think in this spot, with no concrete reads, I think I am opting to flat the 4-bet with a view to check raising all in on a favourable flop (ie. no ace or king, assume he is gonna c-bet all his ace-x hands etc) - I think it just keeps in a few more of the hands you want in there.

and you check fold on any A and/or K flop?

where he c-bets JJ for example.

Opposite occurs though when the flop comes raggy and we are able to get it in against 1010 99 JJ type hands

[AlexMartin]

Meh, i fold to his small 4ball pre. Hes 12/6, exploit a tight player by folding.

[DaveShoelace]

Meh, i fold to his small 4ball pre. Hes 12/6, exploit a tight player by folding.

Rod only has 17 hands on him at this point.

[DaveShoelace]

I think in this spot, with no concrete reads, I think I am opting to flat the 4-bet with a view to check raising all in on a favourable flop (ie. no ace or king, assume he is gonna c-bet all his ace-x hands etc) - I think it just keeps in a few more of the hands you want in there.

and you check fold on any A and/or K flop?

where he c-bets JJ for example.

I'm not sure JJ c-bets all the time on an a/or k flop, I think it checks back quite a bit of the time trying to get a cheap showdown. 99-tt might c-bet and then we might be getting outplayed if we fold, but as greekyboy says, we get to stack the same hands much more on low flops.

[Rod]

If anybody wanted to know the result he called and showed AA. I was wondering if anything other than this and KK are actually going to call this. AK might but I am not that far aheda in that case and a decent player would fold jacks to this bet I would ahve thought. Is is better to just fold pre (seems very tight) or call and get it in on a flop without and A or K???

[silverslick]

I had a similar experience at 50c $1 recently and the guy had aces. With not many hands on the guy the range widens and I made it a call. Don't play enough to know a typical range a player might do this with. I figured down to Jacks and AJ suited.