£150 f/o hand #2 - 44 in the BB facing a min-raise

[outragous76]

I think i flat and set mine - you have an effective 18bb's left so just about got the maths on your side to do it (and the pre flop maths are very favourable) - but being OOP post flop and having no real post flop options if you miss isnt great.

why do you care about being oop? we will not have a tricky decision to make on the flop. we're capping the betting pf and we're setmining. either we hit the flop hard and don't particularly care about being oop or we miss and really couldn't care less what our position is.

i guess what i was saying is you are ONLY set mining here -  - that is all - same as al the other people saying call

[outragous76]

18k in the middle - and 4k for you to call

Shoving seems too much here in a live game - but isnt terrible

I think i flat and set mine - you have an effective 18bb's left so just about got the maths on your side to do it (and the pre flop maths are very favourable) - but being OOP post flop and having no real post flop options if you miss isnt great.


I know that online 3 bet/folding here is terrible - but could you not bump this is to 22k and fold leave 50k behind in a live game - against a tight opponent who might just think that his 88 or AJ is no good?

Is there a smiley face where the guy's being sick all over the place?

Jeez man. Live players aren't THAT bad. At this stage you've got to give him at least a tiny bit of credit. He's got through a field of 180ish down to the last 18 so he must know a little bit about poker. Expect to have this raise shoved straight back in your eye 95% of the time imo. Then when he shows AK you are forced to throw up your DTD burger and chips all over the table.

1. It was a question - i clearly stated what i would do and why

2. Yes players can be that bad. Very villain dependant - but i would say that 25% of any normal DTD field would think a 3 bet (non shove) is a big hand and would not go with AJ and 88 here

[gatso]

i guess what i was saying is you are ONLY set mining here -  - that is all - same as al the other people saying call

yeah, why else would you call here? this is not a time to get funky on the flop against a pfr who's done nothing out of line in the 30 mins we've been sat with him

[Girgy85]

Get it in LDO and suck out when oppo had you crushed!

[Cf]

Get it in LDO and suck out when oppo had you crushed!

sigh girgy

[TightEnd]

It's a traditional Girgy spoiler, post hinting at result on thread, just like getting your mug gurning in a load of photos spoiling their commercial value for blonde to third parties 

[Girgy85]

Nana has recieved all the advice he needs!

I also reported this hand on the live update thread of which I stared in several comical pictures throughout the day!

[Cf]

Ok, result.

Firstly, having just looked at the update thread Girgy did indeed post the result. Stacks weren't perhaps as deep (hard to remember every hand exactly after playing 12 hours) which might be why at the time I didn't really give calling a great deal of consideration. That being said, I think the stack as quoted on the update thread is a bit short. And it's generated some discussion for how we might play the hand sat a bit deeper. A shove def had fold equity in any case.

I shoved. Was a bit of an awkward spot as I don't really have reason to think he's at it. If he's got an overpair then gg, if he's got high cards then that's fine, I'll take the race. The shove might also get him to fold a few smaller pairs that beat me too. He called with TT.

The flop was 9 high, and contained a 4. Had I just flatted pre then the money was going in anyway.

[BulldozerD]

really is read dependant and i usually like to take the aggressive line where i can. Don't think i can fold to a minraise here with antes, shoving could be a bit of a mistake vs guy as described and calling can be tricky, probably depends how he plays postflop.

I usually get caught in two minds, just end up calling and then getting a bit lost. I think calling is the best option with stack sizes against this guy though

[AlexMartin]

calling is fine. we have no idea as to how this guy plays.

[Girgy85]

The 4 sure came on the flop!

[GreekStein]

Haven't read anyone's responses fully but I call here. I'm more inclined to shove if he raises more but a lot of live players min raise massive hands so usually alarm bells go off in my head and I think shoving here is spew.

[Longy]

i guess what i was saying is you are ONLY set mining here -  - that is all - same as al the other people saying call

yeah, why else would you call here? this is not a time to get funky on the flop against a pfr who's done nothing out of line in the 30 mins we've been sat with him

I agree with calling here but the point about being oop is still important when you do hit gin. It is a lot harder to extract value oop, all that has to happen is that villian checks behind on the flop and already you have missed some value, or alternatively you lead and villian gives up on a whiffed flop

[Madone]

100% call imo, how can u ever pass a pair pre flop when u are getting 9/2 to call in a crapshooty live comp!