PLO - Nice draw in 3 way pot

[maldini32]

Sorry only just responded guys.

In the hand I went for the lead out option.

I actually lead for full pot wanting to be up against shorty but get rid of big stack.

Big stack then shoves. I obv have to call because I've got loads of nut outs and I'm priced in.

Have spoken to a few omaha people and a lot don't like the lead. Others aren't sure.

Leading to deliberately price yourself in has to be a spew. If this is the plan then you're not getting the right price really.

If I check the turn, shorty shoves, big stack shoves and I probs have to pass although I hate it a lot.

I'm still not sure what's the right move. The stacks make it really awkward especially having shorty in the middle knowing he's going to bet pot if i check. Big stack could then iso raise with a worse draw than me because he's got the right price to be HU against shorty. I then pass even though I'm ahead.

Big stack had 78 for the straight.

I got there fortunately. HEM put me at 30% so I make the right call but the lead out is the bit I wasn't sure about and still aren't.

Yeah thats the bit that makes the hand ultra gay

[ACE2M]

If you raise half shorties stack on the turn then everything is a bit simpler i think, a fold.

If the bigger stack shoves we can make the assumption he has at least the nuts with no redraws, our best scenario in terms of putting the rest of the dollars in, but it's still a losing prop i think based on the stacks if we do call his shove. Something like 105 to call for around 95 return on ave? This is best case and can get uglier if he has similar draws to bigger straights or flukey boat potential.

I always thought people missed loads of opportunities to manipulate shortstacks to their advantage when i played a lot, i haven't played for ages though. Basically force the big stack to turn his cards over by having the shortie make the bigger raise for you.

[GreekStein]

If you raise half shorties stack on the turn then everything is a bit simpler i think, a fold.

If the bigger stack shoves we can make the assumption he has at least the nuts with no redraws, our best scenario in terms of putting the rest of the dollars in, but it's still a losing prop i think based on the stacks if we do call his shove. Something like 105 to call for around 95 return on ave? This is best case and can get uglier if he has similar draws to bigger straights or flukey boat potential.

I always thought people missed loads of opportunities to manipulate shortstacks to their advantage when i played a lot, i haven't played for ages though. Basically force the big stack to turn his cards over by having the shortie make the bigger raise for you.

Bet folding here seems really spewy and by betting so small I'd assume you were drawing as you'd put more money in if you had a made hand/nuts to protect your hand.

I'd often shove on you here with 2 pair for value as you've pretty much turned your hand face up.

[ACE2M]

If i do have the nuts and i bet pot here to protect i only get it in against another nut hand, big draws flat and do me on the river either by gettting there or bluffing me off my hand.

If the shorties shove is assumed by the 2 big stacks then you have to assume i am looking to keep the betting open back round to me at worse, forcing you to junk anything not good enough to see the river for your entire stack.

This way you have 1 chance only to bluff me off the hand and i seem very interested in keeping the betting open, a brave jam with 2 pair imo.

[GreekStein]

If i do have the nuts and i bet pot here to protect i only get it in against another nut hand, big draws flat and do me on the river either by gettting there or bluffing me off my hand.

If the shorties shove is assumed by the 2 big stacks then you have to assume i am looking to keep the betting open back round to me at worse, forcing you to junk anything not good enough to see the river for your entire stack.

This way you have 1 chance only to bluff me off the hand and i seem very interested in keeping the betting open, a brave jam with 2 pair imo.

[  ] Makes sense

[ACE2M]

If i do have the nuts and i bet pot here to protect i only get it in against another nut hand, big draws flat and do me on the river either by gettting there or bluffing me off my hand.

If the shorties shove is assumed by the 2 big stacks then you have to assume i am looking to keep the betting open back round to me at worse, forcing you to junk anything not good enough to see the river for your entire stack.

This way you have 1 chance only to bluff me off the hand and i seem very interested in keeping the betting open, a brave jam with 2 pair imo.

[  ] Makes sense

does to me.

maybe thats why you jam 2 pair into the probable nuts in this situation.

[GreekStein]

If i do have the nuts and i bet pot here to protect i only get it in against another nut hand, big draws flat and do me on the river either by gettting there or bluffing me off my hand.

If the shorties shove is assumed by the 2 big stacks then you have to assume i am looking to keep the betting open back round to me at worse, forcing you to junk anything not good enough to see the river for your entire stack.

This way you have 1 chance only to bluff me off the hand and i seem very interested in keeping the betting open, a brave jam with 2 pair imo.

[  ] Makes sense

does to me.

maybe thats why you jam 2 pair into the probable nuts in this situation.

No competant player makes the bet you suggested with the nuts. I'll jam K9 and show a profit.

[ACE2M]

If i do have the nuts and i bet pot here to protect i only get it in against another nut hand, big draws flat and do me on the river either by gettting there or bluffing me off my hand.

If the shorties shove is assumed by the 2 big stacks then you have to assume i am looking to keep the betting open back round to me at worse, forcing you to junk anything not good enough to see the river for your entire stack.

This way you have 1 chance only to bluff me off the hand and i seem very interested in keeping the betting open, a brave jam with 2 pair imo.

[  ] Makes sense

does to me.

maybe thats why you jam 2 pair into the probable nuts in this situation.

No competant player makes the bet you suggested with the nuts. I'll jam K9 and show a profit.

i think thats outright wrong. we'll just have to disagree.

If evil pie has hit the nuts what do you suggest his best action should be?