Any arguement not to flip here

[Longy]

I am in the folding pre camp, no one seems to have mention the bb's stack, that there is a deffo possibility that he shoves his 6bb stack pre destroying some of our implied odds. Also the post flop discussion also is a perfect example of why being oop totally sucks.

As played pretty interesting spot. When fiddling round with pokerstove i am getting around 45% equity against utg's range, assuming an edge and the dead money in the spot. It is a pretty close with that equity.

I am not sure where people are getting 6 outs from, I can't think of a single hand we have 6 outs against? Against other flush draws we always can bink one of our overs and hold.

[George2Loose]

Fold here although it makes me wanna puke.

[ScottMGee]

I can't think of a single hand we have 6 outs against?

Sorry that was me - I was counting the 6 straight outs against AhXh but forgetting the 6 pair outs!

[AlexMartin]

I am in the folding pre camp, no one seems to have mention the bb's stack, that there is a deffo possibility that he shoves his 6bb stack pre destroying some of our implied odds. Also the post flop discussion also is a perfect example of why being oop totally sucks.

As played pretty interesting spot. When fiddling round with pokerstove i am getting around 45% equity against utg's range, assuming an edge and the dead money in the spot. It is a pretty close with that equity.

I am not sure where people are getting 6 outs from, I can't think of a single hand we have 6 outs against? Against other flush draws we always can bink one of our overs and hold.

yer this was pure bs. we have the nuts. doesnt matter how we get it in imo. infact spite calling it off would be best, to karma balance the poker world.

[pleno1]

just to let everyone know, the guy UTG is the worst player you can imagine. He is so passive, even if he has AKhh i think he still flats, he check cals till he ahs the nuts and always gets paid off.

[titaniumbean]

just to let everyone know, the guy UTG is the worst player you can imagine. He is so passive, even if he has AKhh i think he still flats, he check cals till he ahs the nuts and always gets paid off.

so it's just KK+?

or this just sets lol?

[EvilPie]

The UTG player is awful - agreed?

Assign him a range as agreed.

AA with Ah - we have 14outs = 56% chance = call  Much closer to 50 50. We're a very slight fave.

he has AhKn - we have 12 outs = 48% chance = marginal call / fold erm no. We are actually 33%. He has redraws against our outs

he has 78 - we have 9 outs = 36% chance Correct WD!!

He has a set - we have 15 outs = 60% chance. Erm wtf!! We're actually 38.5%. Pesky redraws again FFS!!

The only hand we are really behind too is 78 Have a rethink - possible but very badly played by UTG, limp UTG questionable with 78 and then overbet with nuts?

I cannot see folding this hand at all, and as stated you still have 11k left if you call and lose!

You need to check your outs mate. Yes we have oute against all of the hands but don't forget he has outs as well if we happen to hit. It isn't often as simple as calculate our outs and that's it. Nut outs yes but other outs never.