Any arguement not to flip here

[roscopiko]

Live £30 Freezeout

Blinds 600/1200

UTG (25k) Call
Folds to HERO SB (36k)  Call
BB (8k) Check

Flop 

SB Check
BB Bet 1k
UTG All in 25k

Down to last 20 players, 10 paid and table is pretty soft with 1 bigger stack and lots of mid stacks limp folding and generally nut peddling to final table.  Had no real resistance to blind stealing.

Is there any argument for folding and playing small pots rather than going for a big pot here with most likely 14/15 outs?

[BulldozerD]

player reads??

[titaniumbean]

Live £30 Freezeout

Blinds 600/1200

UTG (25k) Call
Folds to HERO SB (36k)  Call
BB (8k) Check

Flop 

SB Check
BB Bet 1k
UTG All in 25k

Down to last 20 players, 10 paid and table is pretty soft with 1 bigger stack and lots of mid stacks limp folding and generally nut peddling to final table.  Had no real resistance to blind stealing.

Is there any argument for folding and playing small pots rather than going for a big pot here with most likely 14/15 outs?

wat is utg like


is this always aces? or is he limping wide and could just be jamming bigger hearts or A7 sort of things?

I'd hate folding but if it's really that soft to just open and steal every pot you may aswell just do that.

[roscopiko]

wat is utg like


is this always aces? or is he limping wide and could just be jamming bigger hearts or A7 sort of things?

I'd hate folding but if it's really that soft to just open and steal every pot you may aswell just do that.

UTG is pretty poor and confident he has a big premium and now just donk shoved to protect it so range is really QQ+ or AK, doubt its ever a set imo

[titaniumbean]

wat is utg like


is this always aces? or is he limping wide and could just be jamming bigger hearts or A7 sort of things?

I'd hate folding but if it's really that soft to just open and steal every pot you may aswell just do that.

UTG is pretty poor and confident he has a big premium and now just donk shoved to protect it so range is really QQ+ or AK, doubt its ever a set imo

could it be just hearts though? if it's just QQ+ all day long get it in.

[EvilPie]

Hmmmm

UTG shove screams of a big flush draw and you really don't want to be up against that because you're already behind and haven't got much to catch up with. It's certainly not a flip that's for sure.

If you can 100% put oppo on a set or overpair then the call is fine but if he could have a draw then I don't like it at all.

If you really think you have 14 or 15 outs then it's a fist pump but you need to be sure.

I'd love to get my chips in first with this hand but no way am I calling 20 bigs with it.

[BulldozerD]

might be best to pokerstove a range.

would a reasonable range be 99+, 7x with a pair (like 67), heart draws (like 9ts) with outside chance of a set?

there is also an unknown factor here in that BB has donked out (albeit incredibly small) and could be sat there with a set/2pair

[GreekStein]

fold, the times he shows up with a big flush draw here just aren't worth it.

[titaniumbean]

might be best to pokerstove a range.

would a reasonable range be 99+, 7x with a pair (like 67), heart draws (like 9ts) with outside chance of a set?

there is also an unknown factor here in that BB has donked out (albeit incredibly small) and could be sat there with a set/2pair

it completely depends on the type of player, if it's an 'utg' limp and therefore strong and also hating life that it's a limped pot he might just jam his big pairs. But if he is limping alot and his range can include lots of bigger flush draws, random 2pr sets etc then if it's as soft as described you can just fold and find lots of better spots.

[mondatoo]

Fold pre

[titaniumbean]

Fold pre

wat are you talking about?

utg doesn't always just open shove.

[daviebhoy]

Fold pre

wat are you talking about?

utg doesn't always just open shove.

If you are thinking of folding this hand on that flop then you should be folding pre. What on earth are you hoping to hit when you complete the small blind.

[roscopiko]

If you are thinking of folding this hand on that flop then you should be folding pre. What on earth are you hoping to hit when you complete the small blind.

Well  would be my preferred flop if I'm being totally honest.

I checked the flop to get action and was 100% looking to get all my chips in here v utg on this flop thinking i nearly always have 14/15 outs but was expecting to be the one pushing tbh.

But what i was thinking doesnt mean it was right thats why i posted it to see what the consensus was.

[titaniumbean]

Fold pre

wat are you talking about?

utg doesn't always just open shove.

If you are thinking of folding this hand on that flop then you should be folding pre. What on earth are you hoping to hit when you complete the small blind.

So we flop combo draw and we must call ai ......

no we play poker and assess what kind of hands he could do what move with.


this is live poker anything could happen post flop from check open fold check to check min bet call call.

This is an unusual situation, folding this isn't ideal but against certain people you should fold and against certain people you should never fold imo.

[ScottMGee]

Shove them all in!

Absolute best case you have 21 outs! if up against AK non hearts.

Worst case you still have 6 outs.