Showing Bluffs EV

[kinboshi]

On a serious note, people dont fold in live cash games anyway, i like to show occasional random bullshit so i can make my value bets redic big and get paid off by people who refuse to fold middle pair to a 'bluffer'.

Its just important to know your own image, which is obv easier to do at DTD in a small player pool, but online I think its def a mistake to show bluffs.

thanks for that serous note mitch, although *seriously* how are you going to ever read that pokerface?

im talking live yes, and i agree its important to know your own image. but surely showing the occasional random bullshit makes those big bluffs harder to pull off? or do you rarely pull off big moves these days cos you`re a "bluffer"? once you have that image, do you just focus on getting paid massive all the time? cos like you said ppl dont fold in live cash.

No, I still try the big bluffs against people who are never folding because they have flopped the nuts, get called, tilt up, say to myself ''FFS im never gonna try and bluff one of these morons again"

Hit my runner runner. De tilt.

Try it again. Order more food.  Cycle continues...

FYP

[cambridgealex]

On a serious note, people dont fold in live cash games anyway, i like to show occasional random bullshit so i can make my value bets redic big and get paid off by people who refuse to fold middle pair to a 'bluffer'.

Its just important to know your own image, which is obv easier to do at DTD in a small player pool, but online I think its def a mistake to show bluffs.

thanks for that serous note mitch, although *seriously* how are you going to ever read that pokerface?

im talking live yes, and i agree its important to know your own image. but surely showing the occasional random bullshit makes those big bluffs harder to pull off? or do you rarely pull off big moves these days cos you`re a "bluffer"? once you have that image, do you just focus on getting paid massive all the time? cos like you said ppl dont fold in live cash.

No, I still try the big bluffs against people who are never folding because they have flopped the nuts, get called, tilt up, say to myself ''FFS im never gonna try and bluff one of these morons again"

Hit my runner runner. De tilt.

Try it again. Order more food.  Cycle continues...

FYP

  very good

[SuuPRlim]

my opinion on anything like this, showing cards, talking during hands, hollywoods etc is that anything you do like this should be engineered to a specific objective (i.e you know that a guy thinks people talking makes them look weak because either he said something like that in a previous session or you;'ve seen him fall for it before etc etc) so you start talking a bit with the intention of getting him tohero you, yeah good stuff fair enough

but often in cash games you come across players you dont know, therefore have no idea how the information you are giving will influence them, or if they are even paying attention, therfore its impossible to know how to accuratley deduce how this will affect there game.

for example you show a bluff so someone will call lighter next time, they think "well he bluffed last time he wont be bluffing again" or "last time when he was bluffing he was way more nervous this time he looks more relaxed so hemust have a hand" etc etc

So they have info they can choose to acknowledge or not and you've provided info everyione else will have the benefit of, with no idea of its actual benefit.

Hence why I just never do anything without VERY VERY VERY specific reason, and I rarely have one. having said this I often show cards either for rub down value or just because someone I like asks me and I dont wanna be a dick + they'll return the favour when Im rele curious lol SUCH A FISH

[cambridgealex]

my opinion on anything like this, showing cards, talking during hands, hollywoods etc is that anything you do like this should be engineered to a specific objective (i.e you know that a guy thinks people talking makes them look weak because either he said something like that in a previous session or you;'ve seen him fall for it before etc etc) so you start talking a bit with the intention of getting him tohero you, yeah good stuff fair enough

but often in cash games you come across players you dont know, therefore have no idea how the information you are giving will influence them, or if they are even paying attention, therfore its impossible to know how to accuratley deduce how this will affect there game.

for example you show a bluff so someone will call lighter next time, they think "well he bluffed last time he wont be bluffing again" or "last time when he was bluffing he was way more nervous this time he looks more relaxed so hemust have a hand" etc etc

So they have info they can choose to acknowledge or not and you've provided info everyione else will have the benefit of, with no idea of its actual benefit.

Hence why I just never do anything without VERY VERY VERY specific reason, and I rarely have one. having said this I often show cards either for rub down value or just because someone I like asks me and I dont wanna be a dick + they'll return the favour when Im rele curious lol SUCH A FISH

good post, ty i agree on the levels point, you can never be sure how the information will effect each player and like you said whether it might translate into them doing the opposite of what you might expect. so i suppose it just adds another level to take into account, and just like mr bedi, i already level myself into making horrible decisions anyway. SO best course of action - very rarely show? I am guilty far too often of classic rubdown show, although it feels great, I usually regret it later, when Im trying to get the same guy to fold his middle pair and he just wont. try to more disicplined with the rubdown shows one time?

[SuuPRlim]

my opinion on anything like this, showing cards, talking during hands, hollywoods etc is that anything you do like this should be engineered to a specific objective (i.e you know that a guy thinks people talking makes them look weak because either he said something like that in a previous session or you;'ve seen him fall for it before etc etc) so you start talking a bit with the intention of getting him tohero you, yeah good stuff fair enough

but often in cash games you come across players you dont know, therefore have no idea how the information you are giving will influence them, or if they are even paying attention, therfore its impossible to know how to accuratley deduce how this will affect there game.

for example you show a bluff so someone will call lighter next time, they think "well he bluffed last time he wont be bluffing again" or "last time when he was bluffing he was way more nervous this time he looks more relaxed so hemust have a hand" etc etc

So they have info they can choose to acknowledge or not and you've provided info everyione else will have the benefit of, with no idea of its actual benefit.

Hence why I just never do anything without VERY VERY VERY specific reason, and I rarely have one. having said this I often show cards either for rub down value or just because someone I like asks me and I dont wanna be a dick + they'll return the favour when Im rele curious lol SUCH A FISH

good post, ty i agree on the levels point, you can never be sure how the information will effect each player and like you said whether it might translate into them doing the opposite of what you might expect. so i suppose it just adds another level to take into account, and just like mr bedi, i already level myself into making horrible decisions anyway. SO best course of action - very rarely show? I am guilty far too often of classic rubdown show, although it feels great, I usually regret it later, when Im trying to get the same guy to fold his middle pair and he just wont. try to more disicplined with the rubdown shows one time?

yeah lol defo, although showing someone a bluff and crushing their soul is half the fun of live poker, so Id hate to take it our completely