Interesting piece of Sentencing..

[Jon MW]

The whole case reminded me of one my old hobby horses..

Why are people who are accused of crimes such as murder, rape or paedophilia named before they are found guilty?

Look at Titus Bramble, if he's innocent of rape he will not deserve the torment he will undoubtedly receive from football supporters. Yet his accuser will not get named if he's innocent or guilty.

this is being changed by statute is it not? in the current parliament? in the plans of the current coalition government

Is it? That's really good news for our justice system.

It's planned, but I would expect it to get dropped somewhere along the line

[kinboshi]

The very next day a guy gets 2/3rds of the sentence for what most would consider a far more serious series of crimes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-11403984

If the guy in the original post gets 12 years, surely this scumbag should have got life.

Such a disgrace,the justice system in this country is absolutely pathetic and is one of the biggest things wrong with this country.

It's far from perfect in many ways, but which countries' justice systems puts it to shame? Who gets it right?

The justice system in the US for example is one of the worst I can think of in the 'west'.

I wasn't making a comparison to any other countries ways,just saying it's one of the biggest things wrong in this country.

OK, fair enough.

But as you stated it's one of the biggest things wrong on this country, you're suggesting it's better elsewhere, otherwise it'd be a general problem (across all developed countries for example).

I agree that there are specific problems with our justice system, but don't see it as a problem with this country. It's a common problem across all developed countries.

I think a lot of the problems in the UK are social and economic issues, rather than being caused by the justice system (although it's obviously far from perfect).

[TightPaulFolds]

The very next day a guy gets 2/3rds of the sentence for what most would consider a far more serious series of crimes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-11403984

If the guy in the original post gets 12 years, surely this scumbag should have got life.

Such a disgrace,the justice system in this country is absolutely pathetic and is one of the biggest things wrong with this country.

It's far from perfect in many ways, but which countries' justice systems puts it to shame? Who gets it right?

The justice system in the US for example is one of the worst I can think of in the 'west'.

I wasn't making a comparison to any other countries ways,just saying it's one of the biggest things wrong in this country.

I think a lot of the problems in the UK are social and economic issues, rather than being caused by the justice system (although it's obviously far from perfect).

Freeeedommmmmm!

[kinboshi]

The very next day a guy gets 2/3rds of the sentence for what most would consider a far more serious series of crimes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-11403984

If the guy in the original post gets 12 years, surely this scumbag should have got life.

Such a disgrace,the justice system in this country is absolutely pathetic and is one of the biggest things wrong with this country.

It's far from perfect in many ways, but which countries' justice systems puts it to shame? Who gets it right?

The justice system in the US for example is one of the worst I can think of in the 'west'.

I wasn't making a comparison to any other countries ways,just saying it's one of the biggest things wrong in this country.

I think a lot of the problems in the UK are social and economic issues, rather than being caused by the justice system (although it's obviously far from perfect).

Freeeedommmmmm!

Don't see a significant difference in serious and violent crime between Scotland and the rest of the UK, so don't really see the relatively small differences in the justice systems being that relevant.

[TightPaulFolds]

The very next day a guy gets 2/3rds of the sentence for what most would consider a far more serious series of crimes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-11403984

If the guy in the original post gets 12 years, surely this scumbag should have got life.

Such a disgrace,the justice system in this country is absolutely pathetic and is one of the biggest things wrong with this country.

It's far from perfect in many ways, but which countries' justice systems puts it to shame? Who gets it right?

The justice system in the US for example is one of the worst I can think of in the 'west'.

I wasn't making a comparison to any other countries ways,just saying it's one of the biggest things wrong in this country.

I think a lot of the problems in the UK are social and economic issues, rather than being caused by the justice system (although it's obviously far from perfect).

Freeeedommmmmm!

Don't see a significant difference in serious and violent crime between Scotland and the rest of the UK, so don't really see the relatively small differences in the justice systems being that relevant.

Homicide is much much higher in Scotland than England, the systematic basis of the justice system obviously completely different between the two, but as far as it impinges on your comparison here I have a feeling you're right. We have such a recent common administrative history, unlikely to be that different.
I've seen justice administered in poorer nations, it sucks but that was normally cos the country's government generally sucked.
America, agreed, seems to make many errors in its administration of justice (3 strikes, plea bargaining etc)

[The Camel]

The very next day a guy gets 2/3rds of the sentence for what most would consider a far more serious series of crimes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-11403984

If the guy in the original post gets 12 years, surely this scumbag should have got life.

Such a disgrace,the justice system in this country is absolutely pathetic and is one of the biggest things wrong with this country.

It's far from perfect in many ways, but which countries' justice systems puts it to shame? Who gets it right?

The justice system in the US for example is one of the worst I can think of in the 'west'.

Scotland does it a bit better imo.

The Virginian woman who got topped last night while the two perps of the murder get life, just com

I read about that case.

How they can execute a woman with an IQ of 72 is beyond me.

A sad indictment on US society.

[kinboshi]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#Comparison_with_other_countries

Amazing stats

[doubleup]

The whole case reminded me of one my old hobby horses..

Why are people who are accused of crimes such as murder, rape or paedophilia named before they are found guilty?

Look at Titus Bramble, if he's innocent of rape he will not deserve the torment he will undoubtedly receive from football supporters. Yet his accuser will not get named if he's innocent or guilty.

this is being changed by statute is it not? in the current parliament? in the plans of the current coalition government

Is it? That's really good news for our justice system.

It's planned, but I would expect it to get dropped somewhere along the line

I don't think this is going ahead.  It apparently gives the message that victims of sexual offences are more likely to be giving false testimony than say victims of fraudsters.


 

[gatso]

Scotland does it a bit better imo.

The Virginian woman who got topped last night while the two perps of the murder get life, just com

what on earth does this say please?

[TightPaulFolds]

Scotland does it a bit better imo.

The Virginian woman who got topped last night while the two perps of the murder get life, just com

what on earth does this say please?

A lady from Virginia was executed by lethal injection for directing the killing of her former husband, while the two men who physically carried out the murder were given life imprisonment terms, reduced from possible death penalties as the result of plea bargains, what a joke.

[gatso]

aha, cheers