Thomas kremser EPT London dealing staff

[StuartHopkin]

GTFO this thread you clown,I was ticking along ok with my crazyness til you outed me.

Lol

Sorry I read it three times and though WTF RAYMOND.

Ill GTFO

Bye

[Jon MW]

This is what I said last time we had a tipping debate. For the most part. it's still true.

My income (Such as it is) comes from poker, ergo, at the end of the week, my wage will be light by the amount I tip.

If I were to tip the dealers, say, £1-2 per pot, maybe 10 pots per night, x 5 nights per week, that's approx £75pw.

Add to this the £25 or so that I give to the vallets, (I can't bring myself not to tip the vallets) and that brings it up to £100pw. (Or 5k a year)

I could have a new car every three years for that price.

I have a daughter who works 40+ hours pw for minimum wage, and another who can't find a job at the moment. It's hard for me to give money to outsiders instead of them.

I do tip dealers occasionally, but certainly not every pot. I simply can't afford to.

This isn't a tipping debate, it's about the difference between a basic casino dealer and a top level poker dealer as far as i know.

Is there a difference between the skill level required and the effort put in to be better at something ?

A huge difference as one is limited by capability

Depends what the skills are.

Customer service and arithmetic will improve in direct correlation to how much effort and experience you invest in them.
Nimbleness for the dealing itself is more of a talent than a skill - but I'd expect there's a pretty small proportion of the population who physically couldn't get the hang of it.

In contrast, there are plenty of people who just haven't got the intellectual capacity to be a doctor or the creative capacity to be a stonemason for example - jobs which only specialists can do - they're the 'very skilled' jobs.

[mondatoo]

GTFO this thread you clown,I was ticking along ok with my crazyness til you outed me.

Lol

Sorry I read it three times and though WTF RAYMOND.

Ill GTFO

Bye

Spose you may as well stay now you've outed me xx

[duncthehat]

So may be the answer is rather having a quantity of £6 an hour wage dealers but having a quality of £10 an hour dealers would be better ? Dony know why everywhere has to have dealers for min buy in toruneys or cash games as back in the day all small buy ins were self dealt with the juice been minimal compared to todays juice ! I know a splayers we like dealers but if you can pay half the rake or half the reg fee surely long term its +ev ?

Self-deal is terrible.  Would rather pay more juice or not play at all than self-deal.

100 per cent agree, all games operating under the roof of a casino should be dealer dealt - period

[StuartHopkin]

So may be the answer is rather having a quantity of £6 an hour wage dealers but having a quality of £10 an hour dealers would be better ? Dony know why everywhere has to have dealers for min buy in toruneys or cash games as back in the day all small buy ins were self dealt with the juice been minimal compared to todays juice ! I know a splayers we like dealers but if you can pay half the rake or half the reg fee surely long term its +ev ?

Self-deal is terrible.  Would rather pay more juice or not play at all than self-deal.

100 per cent agree, all games operating under the roof of a casino should be dealer dealt - period

While im disagreeing with people, Im going to disagree with these two aswell.

Self deal tourneys at Gala Notts used to be immense. I miss them greatly.

[Skgv]

So may be the answer is rather having a quantity of £6 an hour wage dealers but having a quality of £10 an hour dealers would be better ? Dony know why everywhere has to have dealers for min buy in toruneys or cash games as back in the day all small buy ins were self dealt with the juice been minimal compared to todays juice ! I know a splayers we like dealers but if you can pay half the rake or half the reg fee surely long term its +ev ?

Self-deal is terrible.  Would rather pay more juice or not play at all than self-deal.

my hero

100 per cent agree, all games operating under the roof of a casino should be dealer dealt - period

While im disagreeing with people, Im going to disagree with these two aswell.

Self deal tourneys at Gala Notts used to be immense. I miss them greatly.

[tikay]

So may be the answer is rather having a quantity of £6 an hour wage dealers but having a quality of £10 an hour dealers would be better ? Dony know why everywhere has to have dealers for min buy in toruneys or cash games as back in the day all small buy ins were self dealt with the juice been minimal compared to todays juice ! I know a splayers we like dealers but if you can pay half the rake or half the reg fee surely long term its +ev ?

Self-deal is terrible.  Would rather pay more juice or not play at all than self-deal.

100 per cent agree, all games operating under the roof of a casino should be dealer dealt - period

While im disagreeing with people, Im going to disagree with these two aswell.

Self deal tourneys at Gala Notts used to be immense. I miss them greatly.

Yup, I loved that kid who used to deal an ace off the bottom of the pack to his mate. Every night.  I missed him, too, when he went inside for a VAT scam. 

[redsimon]

So may be the answer is rather having a quantity of £6 an hour wage dealers but having a quality of £10 an hour dealers would be better ? Dony know why everywhere has to have dealers for min buy in toruneys or cash games as back in the day all small buy ins were self dealt with the juice been minimal compared to todays juice ! I know a splayers we like dealers but if you can pay half the rake or half the reg fee surely long term its +ev ?

Self-deal is terrible.  Would rather pay more juice or not play at all than self-deal.

100 per cent agree, all games operating under the roof of a casino should be dealer dealt - period

While im disagreeing with people, Im going to disagree with these two aswell.

Self deal tourneys at Gala Notts used to be immense. I miss them greatly.

Yup, I loved that kid who used to deal an ace off the bottom of the pack to his mate. Every night.  I missed him, too, when he went inside for a VAT scam.  

Was that Iffy? If anyone was more appropriately named (or was it Ijaz? Remember the night he got caught by a guy who was built like a brick s***house )

[tikay]

So may be the answer is rather having a quantity of £6 an hour wage dealers but having a quality of £10 an hour dealers would be better ? Dony know why everywhere has to have dealers for min buy in toruneys or cash games as back in the day all small buy ins were self dealt with the juice been minimal compared to todays juice ! I know a splayers we like dealers but if you can pay half the rake or half the reg fee surely long term its +ev ?

Self-deal is terrible.  Would rather pay more juice or not play at all than self-deal.

100 per cent agree, all games operating under the roof of a casino should be dealer dealt - period

While im disagreeing with people, Im going to disagree with these two aswell.

Self deal tourneys at Gala Notts used to be immense. I miss them greatly.

Yup, I loved that kid who used to deal an ace off the bottom of the pack to his mate. Every night.  I missed him, too, when he went inside for a VAT scam.  

Was that Iffy? If anyone was more appropriately named (or was it Ijaz? Remember the night he got caught by a guy who was built like a brick s***house )

Suffice to say, "Iffy" was well-named, yeah.

Happy days in many ways, but the cheating became endemic, & I enjoyed it less & less. I've not played there for 5 years or more, & have no plans to return. We seem to get along OK without each other.