Rule for bet-call on the river

[Poly5678]

If Person A bets on the river and Person B calls. Person A calls his hand as A high but does not show his cards. Person B shows his cards and is the winning hand. Can Person A muck his hand without showing his cards?

[AdamM]

yes, but if a player asks to see them, they should be turned over.

[boldie]

yes, but if a player asks to see them, they should be turned over.

In theory you're right. In practice...depends on whether it's a tourney or cash and it depends on which place the game is being played in..unfortunately.

[AdamM]

Sorry, yes, I was only thinking tournament there.

[Poly5678]

Consider this situation only in tournaments.
Wat if Person A mucks the hand once he knows that he has the losing hand... Are dealors allowed to remove the hand from the muck?

[AdamM]

Wouldn't have thought so.

Player B should learn to get it quietly and not subject player A to a rub down by making him show

[doubleup]

Wouldn't have thought so.

Player B should learn to get it quietly and not subject player A to a rub down by making him show

he might suspect player A was lying when he said ace high....

[AdamM]

Wouldn't have thought so.

Player B should learn to get it quietly and not subject player A to a rub down by making him show

he might suspect player A was lying when he said ace high....

Lying at a poker table?
Are you insane?

[boldie]

Consider this situation only in tournaments.
Wat if Person A mucks the hand once he knows that he has the losing hand... Are dealors allowed to remove the hand from the muck?

If suspecting the players of collusion then yes IMO.

also, quite a few card rooms (casinos) have the shitty "Must always show" rule so it wouldn't surprise me if a dealer did this.

[zerofive]

If Person A bets on the river and Person B calls. Person A calls his hand as A high but does not show his cards. Person B shows his cards and is the winning hand. Can Person A muck his hand without showing his cards?

Yes.

Consider this situation only in tournaments.
Wat if Person A mucks the hand once he knows that he has the losing hand... Are dealors allowed to remove the hand from the muck?

The dealer should protect the muck until the hand is over. When "fold" is declared, a hand is mucked by the dealer. At showdown, both hands should be tabled in order, and it is important to remember that cards speak. A player saying "ace high" is not a declaration of their hand. As far as general etiquette goes, the winning hand is normally tabled immediately and the other hand can be mucked quietly. If the player winning the pot asks to see the losing hand, this should be honoured, and the dealer should prevent the cards from being mucked in this situation.

[JK]

If Person A bets on the river and Person B calls. Person A calls his hand as A high but does not show his cards. Person B shows his cards and is the winning hand. Can Person A muck his hand without showing his cards?

Yes.

Consider this situation only in tournaments.
Wat if Person A mucks the hand once he knows that he has the losing hand... Are dealors allowed to remove the hand from the muck?

The dealer should protect the muck until the hand is over. When "fold" is declared, a hand is mucked by the dealer. At showdown, both hands should be tabled in order, and it is important to remember that cards speak. A player saying "ace high" is not a declaration of their hand. As far as general etiquette goes, the winning hand is normally tabled immediately and the other hand can be mucked quietly. If the player winning the pot asks to see the losing hand, this should be honoured, and the dealer should prevent the cards from being mucked in this situation.

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[BrumBilly]

I'd want player A to be made to show if I was player B and had tabled King high to win.

[Woodsey]

I don't know why people don't just turn their flippin' cards over when they get called, it would save a lot of time  

[brockbhoy]

taking it 1 step further, if B asks to see A's cards and A misread his hand, once turned over if A has better hand they win