Tournament PLO hand.

[strak33]

I wanna fold pre - am I the worst?

Am folding pre aswell.

[tikay]

I wanna fold pre - am I the worst?

Agreed on both counts.

[smashedagain]

I wanna fold pre - am I the worst?

Yh I think it's quite close, however the table was me and 6 Italian's in ther mid-40's, and whereas it doesn't play that great multi-way I'm closing the action and my hand CAN flop big with nice stacks to chk/pot.

Clear evidence they were all completely terrible, imo. Italian, 40's, what more proof do we need?

PS - Hope you won the thing. Head for LA with morale boosted, & all that.

PPS - Am not calling pre with that, nits ftw, but replace one of the 8's with a 10, (so, J-10-9-8cchh) & I'm deffo having a look.

Dave your hand can flop big but as with lots of hands can cause a bit of bother. Hope this hand turned out gravey for you.

And Tony (your kidding me right) I should coco that you may have a look with that hand. If we get dealt that hand once an orbit we would not need the Viagra any more

[tikay]

I wanna fold pre - am I the worst?

Yh I think it's quite close, however the table was me and 6 Italian's in ther mid-40's, and whereas it doesn't play that great multi-way I'm closing the action and my hand CAN flop big with nice stacks to chk/pot.

Clear evidence they were all completely terrible, imo. Italian, 40's, what more proof do we need?

PS - Hope you won the thing. Head for LA with morale boosted, & all that.

PPS - Am not calling pre with that, nits ftw, but replace one of the 8's with a 10, (so, J-10-9-8cchh) & I'm deffo having a look.

Dave your hand can flop big but as with lots of hands can cause a bit of bother. Hope this hand turned out gravey for you.

And Tony (your kidding me right) I should coco that you may have a look with that hand. If we get dealt that hand once an orbit we would not need the Viagra any more

Precisely. he 10 changes the hand value completely, imo. I struggle to fold that pre in any circumstances, & if villain happened to have the Aces, happy days, let's take a flop & go from there.

Viagra? What is that? Third party software, or something?

[smashedagain]

I wanna fold pre - am I the worst?

Yh I think it's quite close, however the table was me and 6 Italian's in ther mid-40's, and whereas it doesn't play that great multi-way I'm closing the action and my hand CAN flop big with nice stacks to chk/pot.

Clear evidence they were all completely terrible, imo. Italian, 40's, what more proof do we need?

PS - Hope you won the thing. Head for LA with morale boosted, & all that.

PPS - Am not calling pre with that, nits ftw, but replace one of the 8's with a 10, (so, J-10-9-8cchh) & I'm deffo having a look.

Dave your hand can flop big but as with lots of hands can cause a bit of bother. Hope this hand turned out gravey for you.

And Tony (your kidding me right) I should coco that you may have a look with that hand. If we get dealt that hand once an orbit we would not need the Viagra any more

Precisely. he 10 changes the hand value completely, imo. I struggle to fold that pre in any circumstances, & if villain happened to have the Aces, happy days, let's take a flop & go from there.

Viagra? What is that? Third party software, or something?

Edit: fml your and you 're such a rookie mistake so embarrassing.

[SuuPRlim]

My experience with Italian players is they don't seem to enjoy folding too much, speshly with 4 cards. Ofc there could well be some very strong italian players, but I had 6 of them on my table, so seems reasonable to think at least 1 or 2 fit into this stereo-type and be capable of making bad calldowns and bad stack off's should i hit a good flop.

That was basically my reasoning for calling, and it's live poker where every hand takes 10minutes, so you have to call otherwise it's really boring

[SuuPRlim]

I wanna fold pre - am I the worst?

Agreed on both counts.

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[SuuPRlim]

what you make of the call and jam certain turn cards line mr rob?

My instinct on the flop was that was capable of betting kind of wide-ish for "value" and he would call/fold the bottom parts of that range pretty randomly, as is he may sometimes fold naked QT and he might get naked Q7 in sometimes as well. I didn't really know ofc this was pure speculation, he was an odd mixture of really tight and really spewy (I believe the poker expression for this is Italian)

I was potting all non spades below a 6, and all clubs when I call the flop, what you tihnk of that?. c/f everything else (he will prolly chk turn back a small %)

[pleno1]

how bad would potting pre be?

[SuuPRlim]

how bad would potting pre be?

In a tournament, where preserving chips is so important it's just too big a risk to take speshly with a reasonably EP open, if someone wants to 4bet here we then kinda have to go with it despite the fact our hand plays badly vs much pretty all 4bets.

89TJds as tikay mentioned earlier would be a different kettle of fish

[GreekStein]

how bad would potting pre be?

with this hand, utterly horrible imo.

[TommyD]

how bad would potting pre be?

with this hand, utterly horrible imo.

Completely agree.

Cos you said you want to fold pre, is this down to position or in your opinion is this hand just too weak to play this shallow?

Personally I like the call just because there are so many flops we can attack where we are at least running close, and I want to attack a short stack who is not the shortest while on the bubble.  I willing to admit this may not be optimal thinking.

[smashedagain]

how bad would potting pre be?

with this hand, utterly horrible imo.

Completely agree.

Cos you said you want to fold pre, is this down to position or in your opinion is this hand just too weak to play this shallow?

Personally I like the call just because there are so many flops we can attack where we are at least running close, and I want to attack a short stack who is not the shortest while on the bubble.  I willing to admit this may not be optimal thinking.

but utg+2 is the shortest stack. when dave makes the call pre he has to expect to be playing the hand for his stack and burst the bubble, especially in the light of the description of the player given. imo this guy wont want to be out played by our young english hero in front of the other italian 40 somethings. not much better flops for dave here once he has committed to calling.

[mapp888]

I was potting all non spades below a 6, and all clubs when I call the flop, what you tihnk of that?. c/f everything else (he will prolly chk turn back a small %)

I def like this plan, especially if hes shortstack on the bubble. I think also live players will find a fold more often than online players in this spot on the turn...

[Skgv]

Not sure about pre flop play but as you called flop im probaly the only one saying jam it in on flop ? if he has a set he calls an its racing if he has 2 top 2 he willl pass surely ? Im probaly wrong but as you know standard cash game noones passing that hand !