That old guy stole my future (and other animals)

[relaedgc]

Obviously we're talking about a generation here, but I'll divulge a little about myself for the sake of providing some argument material.

I'm 24 years old. I spent a year at University incurring the joy of student loan/fees before I decided that the degree wasn't me. I returned home and joined G Casino Luton on a training school for new dealers. I was clearing just over £1000 per month.

Now, I am clearing a varying figure - somewhere between £1600-£1800 per month. My rent and bills comes to £350 ( I share ). Ultimately, that leaves plenty of money I could save if I lived sensibly. The fact that I don't do that is besides the point.

I think the issue with my generation is how sensible we are with the money we have, as opposed to not having access to it. In theory, there's no reason why I couldn't have saved £300 a month. That'd have given me £18,000 in savings by now. I could have saved more.

My current savings are probably that figure in minus.

[vegaslover]

Even if everything is privatised taxes wont be reduced, they pretty much never are. Then people will just pay even more for a worse service.

The nut worst case fpr healthcare is for it to be privatised. Standards of care are awful in the profit searching private sector compared to 'for like' public sector services.

Healthcare standards have dropped dramatically in the past 3 years alone, which much worse to come.

I agree with many though that you make what you can out of your own situation and your future.  Far too many of the young nowadays want it on a plate, my two younger brothers included.
I bought my house when I was young by not having Holidays, nights out etc and caning the hours at work, usually 80+ a week, every week.

On the uni front my opinion is that some fees probably should be paid, but the Govt are defo trying to restrict intake to those financially able, rather than accessable for all.

What is your evidence for this please?

I work in the industry.
Lay people haven't a clue how much worse it has got, will get much worse over the next couple of years too.
Don't get ill basically

[Doobs]

Even if everything is privatised taxes wont be reduced, they pretty much never are. Then people will just pay even more for a worse service.

The nut worst case fpr healthcare is for it to be privatised. Standards of care are awful in the profit searching private sector compared to 'for like' public sector services.

Healthcare standards have dropped dramatically in the past 3 years alone, which much worse to come.

I agree with many though that you make what you can out of your own situation and your future.  Far too many of the young nowadays want it on a plate, my two younger brothers included.
I bought my house when I was young by not having Holidays, nights out etc and caning the hours at work, usually 80+ a week, every week.

On the uni front my opinion is that some fees probably should be paid, but the Govt are defo trying to restrict intake to those financially able, rather than accessable for all.

What is your evidence for this please?

I work in the industry.
Lay people haven't a clue how much worse it has got, will get much worse over the next couple of years too.
Don't get ill basically

Pls post moar.  Every hospital and doctors surgery currently piled up with bodies says man who works in the industry. .  Stop the press... Meanwhile elsewhere NHS budgets still rising

[vegaslover]

Even if everything is privatised taxes wont be reduced, they pretty much never are. Then people will just pay even more for a worse service.

The nut worst case fpr healthcare is for it to be privatised. Standards of care are awful in the profit searching private sector compared to 'for like' public sector services.

Healthcare standards have dropped dramatically in the past 3 years alone, which much worse to come.

I agree with many though that you make what you can out of your own situation and your future.  Far too many of the young nowadays want it on a plate, my two younger brothers included.
I bought my house when I was young by not having Holidays, nights out etc and caning the hours at work, usually 80+ a week, every week.

On the uni front my opinion is that some fees probably should be paid, but the Govt are defo trying to restrict intake to those financially able, rather than accessable for all.

What is your evidence for this please?

I work in the industry.
Lay people haven't a clue how much worse it has got, will get much worse over the next couple of years too.
Don't get ill basically

Pls post moar.  Every hospital and doctors surgery currently piled up with bodies says man who works in the industry. .  Stop the press... Meanwhile elsewhere NHS budgets still rising

Your fkn deluded if you think NHS budgets have risen. The cons pr shite obviously works on you.

[Woodsey]

Even if everything is privatised taxes wont be reduced, they pretty much never are. Then people will just pay even more for a worse service.

The nut worst case fpr healthcare is for it to be privatised. Standards of care are awful in the profit searching private sector compared to 'for like' public sector services.

Healthcare standards have dropped dramatically in the past 3 years alone, which much worse to come.

I agree with many though that you make what you can out of your own situation and your future.  Far too many of the young nowadays want it on a plate, my two younger brothers included.
I bought my house when I was young by not having Holidays, nights out etc and caning the hours at work, usually 80+ a week, every week.

On the uni front my opinion is that some fees probably should be paid, but the Govt are defo trying to restrict intake to those financially able, rather than accessable for all.

What is your evidence for this please?

I work in the industry.
Lay people haven't a clue how much worse it has got, will get much worse over the next couple of years too.
Don't get ill basically

What's your role in the industry?

[Doobs]

Even if everything is privatised taxes wont be reduced, they pretty much never are. Then people will just pay even more for a worse service.

The nut worst case fpr healthcare is for it to be privatised. Standards of care are awful in the profit searching private sector compared to 'for like' public sector services.

Healthcare standards have dropped dramatically in the past 3 years alone, which much worse to come.

I agree with many though that you make what you can out of your own situation and your future.  Far too many of the young nowadays want it on a plate, my two younger brothers included.
I bought my house when I was young by not having Holidays, nights out etc and caning the hours at work, usually 80+ a week, every week.

On the uni front my opinion is that some fees probably should be paid, but the Govt are defo trying to restrict intake to those financially able, rather than accessable for all.

What is your evidence for this please?

I work in the industry.
Lay people haven't a clue how much worse it has got, will get much worse over the next couple of years too.
Don't get ill basically

Pls post moar.  Every hospital and doctors surgery currently piled up with bodies says man who works in the industry. .  Stop the press... Meanwhile elsewhere NHS budgets still rising

Your fkn deluded if you think NHS budgets have risen. The cons pr shite obviously works on you.

I always thought it was a waste of time arguing over hard facts. 

http://www.nhshistory.net/parlymoney.pdf
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/parties_and_issues/8645845.stm etc

Budgets have been rising steadily since the NHS started, both in cash terms and as a percentage of GDP.

and they have carried on increasing

http://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/blog/what-happening-health-spending-england?gclid=CKCgs4D1ybECFctjfAod1XUAXA

There are obviously some difficult decisons ahead, but it is pretty clear that healthcare standards haven't dropped dramatically in the past 3 years. 

There is some evidence that standards have dropped in at least one small part of the industry.

Regards

[DungBeetle]

You're probably wasting your time Doobs.

70% of the population think there are "savage cuts", yet the last time I looked government debt rises every single year.  The fact that successive governments are unable to live within their means is a fact and indisputable.

Whether they spend their excessive amounts in the right areas is another debate of course.

[DungBeetle]

And before anyone blames everything on the banking crisis, the government failed to balance the budget during a massive boom 2002 to 2007.

My opinion is that governments of all colours are useless at managing their spending.