ace rag help in SB and BB situations please

[youthnkzR]

Completing/checking last two cos oop. Am out atm will write longer post explaining 2mora but yeh these are all pretty standard spots.

[JK]

Would much rather shove A2-A5 than A7. Play better when called by better aces. DUCY?

[buffyslayer1]

Would much rather shove A2-A5 than A7. Play better when called by better aces. DUCY?

this is not quite true the difference is minimal in terms of having a wheel draw. For example say villain limp calls Ats/Ato with A7 we have 29.2% equity with A2 we have 29.5%

also there are less better aces with A7 than with A2 for which more than makes up for this. If you shove A2 and villain calls any Ax hand when you shove you have 36.8% equity

if you have A7 you have 44.6% equity versus all those Ax hands

[EvilPie]

1, 2, 3 & 4 all look like standard shoves.

5 & 6 just check and see a flop.

All player dependant particularly 5 and 6. 5 we've got to be cautious oop. 6 we're checking to trap when we hit the ace and the poor guy never believes we've got it because we didn't raise.

[JK]

Would much rather shove A2-A5 than A7. Play better when called by better aces. DUCY?

this is not quite true the difference is minimal in terms of having a wheel draw. For example say villain limp calls Ats/Ato with A7 we have 29.2% equity with A2 we have 29.5%

also there are less better aces with A7 than with A2 for which more than makes up for this. If you shove A2 and villain calls any Ax hand when you shove you have 36.8% equity

if you have A7 you have 44.6% equity versus all those Ax hands

This assumes that villain is calling with all Ax, which isnt true. Villain is only limp calling A7+ a MASSIVE chunk of the time, so it definately does make a difference

[buffyslayer1]

Would much rather shove A2-A5 than A7. Play better when called by better aces. DUCY?

this is not quite true the difference is minimal in terms of having a wheel draw. For example say villain limp calls Ats/Ato with A7 we have 29.2% equity with A2 we have 29.5%

also there are less better aces with A7 than with A2 for which more than makes up for this. If you shove A2 and villain calls any Ax hand when you shove you have 36.8% equity

if you have A7 you have 44.6% equity versus all those Ax hands

This assumes that villain is calling with all Ax, which isnt true. Villain is only limp calling A7+ a MASSIVE chunk of the time, so it definately does make a difference

u said A2 etc plays better when called by better aces etc the diff is around 0.5% equity its negligble which I showed with him limp calling with At versus A7 and A2

And more than made up for the time he calls with worse aces even if its not that much or by the time he decided to limp call 55 or some something like that

i am playing at moment so ahrd to stove but do a decent limp calling range and put in A2 and A7 and see which is better

[buffyslayer1]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

   1,726,002,432  games     0.000 secs   345,200,486,400  games/sec

Board:
Dead:  

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    70.071%     63.27%    06.80%        1092121200    117305502.00   { A7s+, A7o+ }
Hand 1:    29.929%     23.13%    06.80%         399270228    117305502.00   { A2o }


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   1,664,359,488  games     0.000 secs   332,871,897,600  games/sec

Board:
Dead:  

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    69.119%     58.97%    10.15%         981519672    168876678.00   { A7s+, A7o+ }
Hand 1:    30.881%     20.73%    10.15%         345086460    168876678.00   { A7o }


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[buffyslayer1]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

   1,664,359,488  games     0.001 secs     1,664,359,488,000  games/sec

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    30.881%     20.73%    10.15%         345086460    168876678.00   { A7o }
Hand 1:    69.119%     58.97%    10.15%         981519672    168876678.00   { A7s+, A7o+ }


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   6,904,009,728  games     0.002 secs     3,452,004,864,000  games/sec

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    30.533%     23.81%    06.72%        1643748756    464263368.00   { A5o-A2o }
Hand 1:    69.467%     62.74%    06.72%        4331734236    464263368.00   { A7s+, A7o+ }


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[cambridgealex]

Hi all,
Just recentley have found myself in similar situation a few times at various stages of tourneys, with ace rag hands when in the SB or BB when its had a few limpers from varying positions.
Nearly always end up just making up SB or checking BB, then spewing/paying off or calling down marginal spots , would like to hear any advice about what best plays are in various scenarios are.
Couple of examples maybe....
1) 200/400 stack of 6500     utg limp cut off limps we have a7 off in bb
2) 400/800 stack  of 6500   mid pos limp sb limp we haave a7 off in bb
3) 200/400 stack 6500 utg +1 limp button limp we have a7 off in sb
4) 400/800 stack 6500 utg+1 limps sb limps we have a7 off in bb
5) 200/400 stack 10000 utg and button limp we have a9 sooooted in sb
6) 200/400 stack 10000 utg and sb limp we have a9 soooooted in bb
also any other ideas/scenarios and what to do in certain situations/positons also appreciated

Basically from my experience, people very rarely limp big hands. They like to raise them, to protect them and to get value from them. Which is correct of course.

People like to limp with hands where they want to see the flop for cheap. Hands like suited connectors, small pairs, some broadways, suited aces etc. This is especially true live.

Therefore we want to exploit this by shoving anything up to about 20/25 big blinds with all these ace rag hands when we get the chance over a limp or two. Mainly because they will fold an extremely high % of the time. That means we can do it wider than ace rag - suited kings, some suited queens, T9, Q9 sort of hands. Any thing half decent really.

All the first 4 hands we have 5-20bbs and A7o which is ahead of the majority of their limping range, and when called it has decent equity. So they are all very profitable shoves.

5 and 6 we have 25bbs. If I had A9o in both i'd almost be tempted to shove that too, even though 25bbs is a lot, over two limps its the same price as jamming over a minraise, but we're vs way weaker ranges. So it'd definitely be profitable. The reason I'd call/check with A9s is because it flops so much better, so there's a way higher chance we will win the pot. With A9o we're unlikely to win unless we flop top pair and even then we're oop and not be able to get loads of value comfortably from it.

A9s is a pretty sexy hand, we will flop a flush draw, backdoorflush draw or a flush just under half the time, where we can make really profitable bets out on the flop, it's just much more likely we're going to win the pot postflop with A9s, so we can complete/check and play it profitably. Raggy offsuited aces are much harder to play so we just jam or fold those mostly

[atdc21]

Thanks for well written reply.
Makes sense looking at it like that, gonna have to get used to shoving a lot imo, seem to get these hands alot in blinds for some reason.
Only problem for you is i will prob pester the fk out of you with more questions,