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« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2013, 12:10:32 AM »

What's  gto mean?

game theory optimal
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« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2013, 03:20:46 AM »


Now lets give him one or two more speculative hands, just to get to a probable range in terms of equity.

 Equity Win Tie 
MP2  44.27%  42.45%  1.83% KQo
MP3  55.73%  53.90%  1.83% QQ-99, AdAc, KhKc, AQs-ATs, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, AdKd, AsKs, AQo, AdKh, AdKs, AdKc, AsKd

Now, I know that we have initiative which is important, however he will have position and will have an equally eprceived strong range, in fact, even against our perceived strong range his hand still plays well.

I just don't think its an euto 3bet for value spot where villain will be defending a bunch of Q7s kind of flairy hands and will actually be very strong, and in reality, I don't need many 3bet bluffs as my 3bet PURE (not merged) value range is very narrow and thus would prefer to protect my calling range with KQo and 3bet/fold K9o or even KJo, which could also fall into my calling range too.


Yeah if this is the guy's range then absolutely we should be flatting KQ pre. We should only be 3betting the bottom 90% or so of hands that we can't profitably peel, since he will be folding to a 3bet >80% of the time. It's not realistic at all.

Maybe it's a style thing, but I don't understand why you want to have a wide peeling range preflop. What happened to "POSITION + INITIATIVE = PROFIT"? Yeah there's a weak player there, but you were drilling that golden rule into jcgblack when he was playing 10nl and they're ALL weak players. I'll just be repeating myself if I talk more about preflop, so I guess we just have to agree to disagree.
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« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2013, 08:40:52 AM »

some awesome analysis on here. how wide do regs iso fish on zoom pleno? really depends on that for my river decision. vs pleno in this hand if i was villain i would defo vbet/merge qx here and defo any k so i like c/c. buuuut heard zoom is uber tight, pleno is this true or.......?
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« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2013, 10:44:27 AM »

@james

Initiative can be directly taking by having the option to donk flop when fish is in pot so not having initiative is not completely necessary here. Ie ott I was planning to donk 90% of turns therefore retaking the initiative. Grante we will never have position in the hand.

@pyonak

It's 500 zoom so pretty good regs who are looking or any edge and definitely not quick folding their buttons.
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Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of  fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2013, 11:06:33 AM »

pfftt still so many viable options with regards to river. really dunno what to say but most profitable line must be to check/tank...like dave says its gonna go ck ck so often an we win. if he bets river depening on player prob gonna...flip for me tbh really is a tricky river spot

love the way has been played till now, argument for 3betting because initially we win money and but lose out potential to stack a fish. is 3betting and winning here surely more profitable than playing streetz 3 way?

i say this even though i like to flat here...call river for me actually.

WHAT HAPPENED??BIG THREAD??
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« Reply #50 on: February 09, 2013, 01:11:57 PM »

im really surprised chk/call river is becoming the least favored option, fwiw pleno done a pretty good job convincing me Im just surprised because I thought chk fold was almost un-viable as played when i first read the hh.

Great thread, wp everyone
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« Reply #51 on: February 09, 2013, 01:24:40 PM »

yeh agree ck/c surely nut line. if i value bet the hands i mentioned then have to stick with ck/c. great thread tho, v interesting. lil dave btw was gonna do a backflip if u jammed that river in deepstack HU vs k8 wudda been gangster lol
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