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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2013, 03:01:20 AM »

Not sure, I only see strong draws raising here and i guess a solid reg would have raised pre with a hand that would produce a solid draw.  I really can't see him betting you out the pot with JJJ or TTT as he needs to build a side pot if Dothang hits a draw and based on your OOP 3bet he's putting you on a specific range once you've raised to $350 on the flop so he'd more then likely want to build a side pot knowing that he's up against a hand like yours or a hand that also has blockers, KKJT 99JT KJT9

I'd be more worried if I get flatted here (I'd only want to see a J or club on the turn), so more then likely calling a 4bet...
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« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2013, 03:04:36 PM »

Yeah $350/fold is absolutely godawful, you 100% have the correct price to call it off when you make it $350. $350/call is ok but not as good as potting. You have to know that he will view a smaller sizing as super strong and make some hero folds otherwise he has the correct price to call with his entire range. Basically, if we are raising we want to make him fold, and potting is a more effective way to do this unless you have some exploitative read.

All that said, there are only a handful of players in these games I would expect capable of r/f vs you and r/c vs dothang and I'd just go ahead and assume he isn't raise folding. I don't think we do well enough vs his range once he raises to call and get it in ott so I think folding is the best play. It's extremely close though and a really gross spot.
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« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2013, 02:59:41 AM »

Yeah $350/fold is absolutely godawful, you 100% have the correct price to call it off when you make it $350

I'm not too sure about that - the idea is that we look like we have a superstrong hand that isn't folding, so he's not going to ship his wraps on us when they can't be a favourite, and he can do better by calling and folding board pairs.

So it felt like it was a raise engineered to try put me in a coffin with the weaker hands im bet calling vs dothang and not for pure value as it just really doesn't make sense to raise JJJ or TTT here to this size for value. So in theory he could be doing this really wide for value against DoThang trying to freeze me out of the pot with a stronger hand - so i felt i game I had a LOT of fold equity, but still don't know if just going all in or calling and getting it in on nearly all turn cards (except A's Q's K's) is better if i want to proceed

This was my first thought. Why would a set raise this amount? Either it wants to raise a sizing that reopens the betting (ofc we can't completely discount the possibility he screwed up) or he wants to get as much money in as possible when he has the goods. This sizing is just weird and at best he thinks we think etc etc and he's hoping we level ourselves, but that's a stretch imo.

I think KQJT and AKQJ types of hands 3bet preflop most of the time. I'd expect his range to have a lot of hands like QJ98, that might be good against the fish shortstack but could get dominating hands like AAQ or KKJ to fold. I don't expect his pair + wrap hands to fold and I really don't mind ending the hand right now in this spot so I go ahead and pot.
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« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2013, 03:02:08 AM »

Having said all that I'm not sure I think all that in-game, I may just say 'Very aggressive. A new day, and you won't be pushed around, but I reraise, 5000'
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