PLO100 Deep w/antes - turn c/r

[Pinchop73]

PokerStars Hand #101342519788:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2013/07/13 15:19:30 WET [2013/07/13 10:19:30 ET]
Table 'Azaleh III' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Retr083 ($302.20 in chips)
Seat 2: wheldon ($250 in chips)
Seat 3: henri72 ($107.68 in chips)
Seat 4: hags31 ($60.16 in chips)
Seat 5: locomi ($329.81 in chips)
Seat 6: Ultraballs18 ($540.40 in chips)
henri72: posts small blind $0.50
hags31: posts big blind $1
Retr083: posts the ante $0.20
wheldon: posts the ante $0.20
henri72: posts the ante $0.20
hags31: posts the ante $0.20
locomi: posts the ante $0.20
Ultraballs18: posts the ante $0.20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ultraballs18 [ As ]
locomi: folds
Ultraballs18: raises $2 to $3
Retr083: folds
wheldon: raises $8 to $11
henri72: folds
hags31: folds
Ultraballs18: calls $8
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Ultraballs18: checks
wheldon: bets $17
Ultraballs18: calls $17
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Ultraballs18: checks
wheldon: bets $42
Ultraballs18: raises $140.06 to $182.06
wheldon: raises $39.74 to $221.80 and is all-in
Ultraballs18: calls $39.74

Villain is very new to the table, no reads other than he's Dutch and playing a dozen or so PLO tables. Opinions in a vacuum?

[SuuPRlim]

i never play these hands like this but I don't think it's bad, think i'd prefer to c/f the turn personally at these stakes and with no reads on his flop/turn c-bet tendencies.

[Pinchop73]

You almost always 4b pre oop bud? I mean in 100bb games I do, but in the deep games I'm finding that I tend to flat a lot more of of my strong hands to stay under repped as I feel the benefit of getting paid off with worse is greater. Easier to an extent too.

I like to have a balanced flop c/c range, I feel that regs are probs happier to stack off on the turn with worse value hands when I take this line, I like to be under repped is what I'm saying I guess. Allows me to peel back door nut hands without getting exploited too much as well imo.

[Patonius2000]

Lots of ways to approach this spot. Id donk flop with a high frequency as played

[Dubai]

I quite like how you played it. Seems good/fine to me

[SuuPRlim]

id never 4b p/f.

Like donking the flop, just a bit nervous about taking this line with no reads whatsoever, for example there'd be regs in my games this would be a huge trainwreck vs, and some this would be a really good line, leads/lead and fold if you get raised might be the better way.

Your line is fine though, with the little info you have.

[GreekStein]

I quite like how you played it. Seems good/fine to me

[Patonius2000]

If you want to check call flop this is a good hand to do it with because it does well on turns that don't change the board, like this one. Unless you have deliberately constructed a range that does deceptively well on these turns your cc range will be really struggling because it will be draw heavy and contain a lot of unimproved Txxx. This is why c/f the turn isn't really an option. It's a much better turn for his range than yours because most of your range is looking for the board to change on the turn, so when you find yourself in this situation with a made hand as good as this folding it means your are overfolding this spot and most likely getting run over.

If he's playing 12 tables and bought in for 250bbs he's probably at least semi cognizant of the above so I don't think we really need to worry about him only 2 barrelling really strong. Most competent regs who 3bet and stuff understand this is a good spot to 2 barrel. Next interesting decision is whether we want to call twice with our Txxx and draw hands and what that means for this hand. I think it'd be pretty neat to call again for our range but you probably picked the best vacuum play since he'l be bet folding a decent amount. Also consider whether we need to cc draws otf that would normally be considered to be 'strong' enough to go with for stacks. I'l let you think about all that because I already donk/folded flop.

[SuuPRlim]

What is our "range" to c/r the turn readless?

[wazz]

Having a 4b range this deep would be bad; flatting hands as strong as this means you can also flat some weak hands as well, i.e. have a very narrow folding range.

I would expect him to keep on barrelling on the turn with some hands that we're in very good shape against and I don't expect him to have that many hands that crush us so I would happily peel but we're going to be in some tight river spots and I might just mash the call button on a fair few of them.