PLO 6 cards, any1 flat here with nuts on the turn

[titaniumbean]

Honeybadger and Dubai nutted it.

The guys making all the money in the 6 card PLO atm on FTP are AmexCeturion and another one who's name I forget - they play exactly like David Shallow says.

As for this hand, I'm usually flatting flop and getting it in on safe turn.

amex is appalling.


I was watching him play 1-2 up to 10-20, he seemed utterly terrible.


my mate grinds a bunch of the plo and plo6 atm and he was incredibly bad. he was just punting about not folding because he had 6 cards, 6 cards that work together yeh as if. rofl.

amex was just doing chunks and chunks getting it in bad over and over. it wasn't like there was strat or consistency it was proper lol 6 cards lets go.





as in I have one suggestion if he is truly really good, and that he was making a video where he got set exploitable tendencies and couldn't deviate. because he 100% 5b regardless of hand it was ridiculousto watch.

[Honeybadger]

fucking stupid game!

thats where the skill comes in, so many people are dismissive of this game it carries a greater edge than most games.

Really disagree with this. I have played huge amounts of this game. It is far less skilful than normal 4 card PLO. Your edge is greater vs bad players, but only because they are 'tricked' into thinking that so many crappy hands are playable both preflop and postflop. I personally don't like games in which we rely on our opponents being tricked... I prefer them to always have a punchers chance against me, like they do in 4 card PLO.

On a table of decent players this game would be a conspiracy of tightness. And anyone who tried to deviate from this 'to exploit' (a la Dubai's suggestion) would find themselves usually running into the one opponent who has the effective nuts. All very well saying "ooh look how nitty they are all playing! I can just bet like a nutcase and win loads without showdown cos they're all afraid to felt with less than the nuts with redraws"... but when so much of the deck is dealt out it is so likely that the nuts is out there.

Obviously if opponents are playing complete budget hands preflop but playing overly tight postflop then a maniacal strategy can be somewhat effective - provided pots are short handed. If opponents play total crap stuff preflop they will rarely flop nutted stuff and so can be run over if they are the type to wait for the nuts plus redraws postflop. But most players who play too loose preflop also play correspondingly loose postflop.

All this said, if this hand is representative of the sort of thing that is going on in the 6 card PLO games online then I might have to have a little dabble...

[chnren]

Disagree what you said about amex,greenstein, you may see he got huge stack on the table, but it doesnt mean he is winning, it is only cos he plays long session, he is a good player for sure, but not the biggest winner, there are many players better than him, like fishycall, a lot better than him. Amex maybe even losing in that game which i m not sure though, as far as i know, he is broke.

[Honeybadger]

As an example of a situation in which Dubai's suggested adjustment can work...

I was recently playing in a DC game in which several players were calling Padooki with Kings wild. This is a crap game designed to trick newbies into stacking off with 7 and 8 Padookis, not realising that the wild card variable means that such hands are completely budget in most circumstances. However, every player in the game was savvy enough to know not to do this, and they were all playing very tight vs later street betting (hero folding 6 padookis and even one time a 5). Yet they were playing very loose predraw and on the first change, calling raises then drawing three to a wildcard or drawing two cards to two wheel cards hoping to catch a wildcard.

This combination of excessive looseness on an early street combined with extreme tightness on a later street is exploitable through aggressive, near-maniacal play. So a great adjustment to this texture of opponents would be to do a lot of raising predraw and then pat a lot of bluffs after the first or second draw and bet them through.

Same same with 6 card PLO. If players are 'correctly' nitty postflop, but are also playing a lot of hands preflop (i.e. stuff that is non-nutty), then you can exploit them like Dubai said by building pots on early streets then playing very aggro on later streets. Opponents are only playing to make the nuts postflop to continue but they are playing too many non-nutty starting hands, therefore they will do a LOT of folding.

The problem with this strategy at 6 card PLO is that if you are playing even remotely competent players they are simply not going to 'stick their head up' by calling raises/3bets with trash like QQ9872. Instead they are going to play robust hands that are nutty. Which means that a strategy of building pots with budget hands and then trying to make your opponents fold on later streets is going to be tough to make profitable. It only works against opponents who are too loose on early streets and then very tight on later streets.

[SuuPRlim]

In most general circumstances I'd agree with Greeky + Stu about flatting the flop, however I disagree with this hand specifically because of JUST how bad our hand is. "safe turns" are Q,9,9,2,2 (we block two of those outs) A/K/J/T/8 we will have to fold (and will get bluffed a decent %) 7/7/7/6/6/6/6/5/5/5/5 we stack off on but will VERY often have improved his hand (another 4-12 outs) and 3/3/3/3/4/4/4/4 are prolly the best - we have no BD flush draws of any value and having 3bet OOP we assume he has big suited cards so will have at least one strong BD FD.

Given how unplayable our hand really is from the flop I''d hate to just call here, I think folding is better. The advantage of jamming here is that we will get some small % of folds . However he's bet pot so chances of him folding are reduced but there's a chance he might be mashing buttons + he might be a weaker player and elect to stack off with a budget hand.

Throw in a BD NFD, some sort of wrap around the 9 or even just a few blockers to the Q9 wrap and I'm 100% calling. As it is though feels like its just binning money this time.

Amex has been around for yeaaarrrs and yeeaaaaaaarrs I remember playing him back in like 2008 on FTP every day, he is DEFO not terrible btw he's always had a really bizzarre style, like he used to hardly 3bet much, but cold 4bet/fold to 5bets with deep stacks an INSANE amount, and no-one even REALLY does that now let alone back then. The old c-bet flop and c/r turn thing was one of his favorite moves as well! How he plays these days IDK but he USED to win for sure and he is capable of putting you into a fair old bit of trouble.

R.E Playing style for 6card it really does depend on the calibre of competition, I'm in the belief that if you're against players who are just playing poor starting hands (remember at least 70% of the 6card combo's are utterly unplayable in any spot, yet I've seen many players play a VPIP of +30% ) then you wana be playing a wider range of hands against them, IP - if you're taking this strategy of playing quite loose (as I prefer to do in most live games that play like this) then I prefer to be veyr passive early in the hand, no 3betting, plenty of limping/calling behind etc, just trying to get to flops IP with slightly better hands than my opponents and pick the equity off post-flop. I don't really ever see the need to build huge pots pre-flop unless you have an incredibly sick hand.

If the game is tougher then you have no option but to play very tight, as bad starting hands against competent players is just a recipe for a total calamity.  I've played a lil bit on FTP 6card and people are way way way way too loose, and if I'm saying they are too loose (as stu will confirm as he tells me I'm too loose all the time lol) then it's almost for sure that they are lol

[chnren]

In most general circumstances I'd agree with Greeky + Stu about flatting the flop, however I disagree with this hand specifically because of JUST how bad our hand is. "safe turns" are Q,9,9,2,2 (we block two of those outs) A/K/J/T/8 we will have to fold (and will get bluffed a decent %) 7/7/7/6/6/6/6/5/5/5/5 we stack off on but will VERY often have improved his hand (another 4-12 outs) and 3/3/3/3/4/4/4/4 are prolly the best - we have no BD flush draws of any value and having 3bet OOP we assume he has big suited cards so will have at least one strong BD FD.

Given how unplayable our hand really is from the flop I''d hate to just call here, I think folding is better. The advantage of jamming here is that we will get some small % of folds . However he's bet pot so chances of him folding are reduced but there's a chance he might be mashing buttons + he might be a weaker player and elect to stack off with a budget hand.

Throw in a BD NFD, some sort of wrap around the 9 or even just a few blockers to the Q9 wrap and I'm 100% calling. As it is though feels like its just binning money this time.

Amex has been around for yeaaarrrs and yeeaaaaaaarrs I remember playing him back in like 2008 on FTP every day, he is DEFO not terrible btw he's always had a really bizzarre style, like he used to hardly 3bet much, but cold 4bet/fold to 5bets with deep stacks an INSANE amount, and no-one even REALLY does that now let alone back then. The old c-bet flop and c/r turn thing was one of his favorite moves as well! How he plays these days IDK but he USED to win for sure and he is capable of putting you into a fair old bit of trouble.

R.E Playing style for 6card it really does depend on the calibre of competition, I'm in the belief that if you're against players who are just playing poor starting hands (remember at least 70% of the 6card combo's are utterly unplayable in any spot, yet I've seen many players play a VPIP of +30% ) then you wana be playing a wider range of hands against them, IP - if you're taking this strategy of playing quite loose (as I prefer to do in most live games that play like this) then I prefer to be veyr passive early in the hand, no 3betting, plenty of limping/calling behind etc, just trying to get to flops IP with slightly better hands than my opponents and pick the equity off post-flop. I don't really ever see the need to build huge pots pre-flop unless you have an incredibly sick hand.

If the game is tougher then you have no option but to play very tight, as bad starting hands against competent players is just a recipe for a total calamity.  I've played a lil bit on FTP 6card and people are way way way way too loose, and if I'm saying they are too loose (as stu will confirm as he tells me I'm too loose all the time lol) then it's almost for sure that they are lol

very nice comment, learns a lot from you, appreciate. you are abusolutely right about playing 6 cards that we should play very tight when the game is tougher.