Deep 10NL bluff

[Flash92]

have this guy marked as a lagtard, thoughts on the bluff?

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/6484889_C1F671B7C6

[PathFinder]

I wouldnt use   as part of my cold 4bet range. You do however flop great equity in the hand, would bet bigger on the flop. As played when we bet flop and get raised i think shoving is the only play so we can at least realise our equity, i mean we must be like 33% here and there might be a tiny bit of FE.

Just pick better hands to cold 4 bet with. Rather do it with a suited ace

[corkeye]

I don't like it at all. Fold pre.

[Rexas]

Hmmm... Well, against a "lagtard" I don't like this sort of hand as a cold 4bing hand. Much rather pick like KQ or something if the guy is playing loads of hands and not folding very much, we want to be playing hands that dominate his range and hands like  , whilst very pretty, don't do this. Much rather go for this against a tighter player, if at all.

Just wanna make a little comment on bet sizing too. Pre, this is a very small raise. Generally OOP my sizing would tend to be a little bigger, and I certainly would be going for at least 3x, normally pot, with most of the hands that I'm going to be 3/4bing out of the SB. In this situation, we're giving the guy great odds to call and play a bloated pot heads up and in position, which is basically never a good thing. Yes our hand does flop well, but these sorts of hands do play much better in position because we can have much greater control over the pot and find it much easier to realise our equity (seems like a very popular saying nowadays). To do this out of position, we basically end up getting over 200bbs in with a straight draw, which again I would rather not do.

As for flop, I don't like our sizing. We're rarely going to get any sort of hand to fold here, and if we're trying to induce, I would way way way rather do this with a hand that has immediate showdown value rather than a hand that is a bluff. We must remember that our actual hand is 10 high. It is the nut 10 high, but still very definitely a bluff. As such, I would definitely go for a larger bet on the flop to put a little more pressure on his range and hopefully fold out a bunch of the hands that aren't paired. We put ourselves in a bit of a coffin on the turn if we get called. We have too much behind to shove, bet folding would be really bleurgh, and by check calling we have essentially limited ourselves to only winning the pot if our hand improves, which it certainly won't do enough/enough of the time to make it profitable.

I am definitely interested to hear your thoughts on your sizing through this hand, and your decisiont to cold 4, and I hope (although can't guaruntee it) that people will be constructive rather than dicky about it.

[Oxford_HRV]

the deeper you are the more you should call than raise, its harder for people to make correct plays vs you post flop than pre. when we 4b bluff we will have to make sure opponent is 3b bluffing enough of the time to make it profitable for ourselves. on AXX KXX flops we should give up. but when we do sometimes flop draws/pairs we should c/r this deep and play against a more favourable hand range with our oesd bdfd, if we brick turn i'd check fold to a shove.

[SuuPRlim]

yeh, I think it's unnecessary pre-flop. Remember the reason why you have bluffs in your 4betting range is i) you balance out your legit 4bets and ii) you can attack light 3bets from these players.
If however they all have a pretty small amount of bluffs in their 3betting, and (as I would expect is the case in these games) you get 5bet bluffed rarely and called too light then there is actually no need to have any air in your 4bets at all. You can just use your reads to decide how wide you wanna go for value. Not saying all this is true of these games, I don't play them but something to think about.

I think your thinking is pretty good behind this but you picked kinda the wrong hand and spot, like path says T9cc 200bb deep OOP etc I'd be wary of making plays like this, A3s or something that can flop a bigger pair + blocker etc but I'd lean towards never being light here without v gd reason. Flop would appear to be pretty standard i'd be getting the barrells ready as well, when he raises its shrug and put the money in time cant see much else being an option.

[Flash92]

Yeah this all makes sense thank you guys.