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« Reply #60 on: January 27, 2006, 10:44:55 AM »

Importance is all relevant IMO, if you're a Gomphus Vulgatissimus then dragonflys rate pretty highly on your agenda. However, if you're a Homo-Sapien while you can still respect and rejoice in all forms of life, humans probably figure highest on your list of priorities.

If a rat were capable of philosophy would it consider itself vermin? Should it?
I don't see humanity on the whole as being verminous, however, I do believe we should all better understand and be humbled by our own individual insignificance from time to time.

There's no problem considering yourself important if your lifestyle doesn't impact negatively on all around you. Unfortunately man's lifestyle is currently to the detriment of almost everything else. We can't continue the way we're going, it's that simple. Sure we can bury our collective heads in the sand for a generation or two and leave the problem to the next one, however even that may not be possible anymore as the changes in our climate are escalating drastically.

Survival of the fittest isn't applicable to the situation we're in. That's a theory applied to natural evolution over millions of years but no species is capable of drastically evolving over the space of 100 years (which is the time-span man has managed to do most of the major environmental damage in). An organutan can no more adapt to the loss of virgin rainforest in 10 years than man could adapt to living in salt-water when the tsunamis hit.
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« Reply #61 on: January 27, 2006, 10:56:05 AM »

Totally with you on that one, we can't bury our heads in the sand.

Watching huge queues of rush hour traffic, most of which are cars that contain only 1 person, just sickens me. I quite deliberately don't own a car. I'll admit it is easier for me because I've always lived within walking distance of where I need to be.

I always recycle my micro-meal packaging and empty Irn Bru bottles. (That's pretty much all my litter)
When I'm cold, I'm more likely to stick on a jumper than turn up the heating, unless I have company.

I'm no Swampy, but I do take my enviromental responsibilities seriously.
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« Reply #62 on: January 27, 2006, 01:35:26 PM »

Ok, my thoughts, for what they are worth.

Heswall, I was deliberatly provocative in my short comment and you have responded with several valid points. I agree with much of what you have to say.

I think the planet is hardier than you realise, life on earth existed long before we got here and will continue long after we are extinct. Extictions of species is a normal event, 99.9% of all the species that have ever existed on this planet have already become extint*, the planet has survived ice ages and meteor strikes, what ever we do to it the planet will absorb the blow and recover over time.

This does not absolve ourselves from acting responsibly when it comes to protecting the environment. I see this primarily as a matter of economics and mismanagement of resources rather than a mission to save the planet. Just as it is wasteful and wrong that we should use land in Africa to grow beans for consumption in Europe, just because relative prices mean we pay a few pence less, it is wasteful and wrong that we should spend £100,000 on attemping to save a sick whale stuck up the Thames.

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« Reply #63 on: January 27, 2006, 02:04:14 PM »

Wardonkey, you're right - the planet is a hardy thing which has a way of attempting to heal itself, which makes me think that man is probably due for a damn good retro-virus some time soon (disease tends to knock down the size of any population which is breeding out of control).

I have to admit that the environment is one of my pet subjects - I'm doing a degree in it for the kicks and the more I read, the more worried I become. Added to that fact is the small point that I don't, in general, like people very much ;-)
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« Reply #64 on: January 27, 2006, 02:10:17 PM »

Ms Wall,

Enlightened as ever.

We do need Mother Nature to give us a good smack around the back of our collective legs, just to remind us that we aren't really that imortant.

The Tsunami was the start. We haven't paid as much attention as really need to the Ring OF Fire IMHO.

Something will come along and remind us that we are feeble creatures.

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« Reply #65 on: January 27, 2006, 02:13:17 PM »


Something will come along and remind us that we are feeble creatures.

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Like a really tightly screwed on jam jar lid.

Making noises like hhhnnnghhhhhh whilst trying to get at my preserve always reminds me that I am a feeble creature.
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« Reply #66 on: January 27, 2006, 02:15:11 PM »

Heswall, I think Bill Hicks summed it up so well when he said "We're a virus with shoes".
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« Reply #67 on: January 27, 2006, 02:17:50 PM »

We haven't paid as much attention as really need to the Ring OF Fire IMHO.

What's Johnny Cash got to do with it?
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« Reply #68 on: January 27, 2006, 02:42:44 PM »

It's probably all his fault.
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« Reply #69 on: January 27, 2006, 02:58:16 PM »

My thought, Morrisons bought Safeway.
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« Reply #70 on: January 27, 2006, 03:00:43 PM »

My thought, Morrisons bought Safeway.


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« Reply #71 on: January 27, 2006, 05:38:46 PM »

Before that, I think Safeway bought Finefare. Or was that Gateway?
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