Dear Pleno..........Best Regards, Danny.

[smurf]

I would assume that they don't allow deals so that the variance is big enough to keep out the pros that might be incredibly douchey and pressure recs into taking bad deals if they nail a jackpot

Not allowing deals also avoids this conversation

Pokerstars: Win up to $90k in our Spin n Go games
Punter: How many people have won $90k?
Pokerstars: Ummm...

Just offer everyone an equal chop before the sng starts.

If not everyone agrees with 30 seconds, off we go.

Doesn't that defeat the object of the game?
 

Full tilts version does (or did - not sure if they still do) offer deals but the jackpot games I believe pay all three places...I think that would be a better change.

[AlunB]

I would assume that they don't allow deals so that the variance is big enough to keep out the pros that might be incredibly douchey and pressure recs into taking bad deals if they nail a jackpot

Not allowing deals also avoids this conversation

Pokerstars: Win up to $90k in our Spin n Go games
Punter: How many people have won $90k?
Pokerstars: Ummm...

Just offer everyone an equal chop before the sng starts.

If not everyone agrees with 30 seconds, off we go.

Doesn't that defeat the object of the game?
 

Full tilts version does (or did - not sure if they still do) offer deals but the jackpot games I believe pay all three places...I think that would be a better change.

Stars pay 10% of first place prize to 2nd and 3rd for jackpot games

[smurf]

Seems fair then - at least everyone gets some thing

[pleno1]

i was speaking to a friend last night that plays hyper turbos at the highest stakes.

he was telling me that the edge that the good players have from the best players is stalling accuracy.

stalling is tanking before folding obviously.

you can manipulate when the blinds will go up if you wait a certain amount of time because the big blind will increase on a short stack if you choose or you can make sure you get the button when the blinds are bigger and thus make more chips shoving than if the blind was smaller etc.

in the lobby it doesnt say the blinds are going up in 30 seconds, it just says within one minute, so they have clocks and alarms going off at all times.



[06/11/2014 04:22:45] : giving u dat btn (sun)
[06/11/2014 04:22:49] Patrick Leonard:
[06/11/2014 04:22:50] : nah just my sng instinct
[06/11/2014 04:22:50] Patrick Leonard: nice
[06/11/2014 04:22:50] : its ridic
[06/11/2014 04:22:52] : but quite literally
[06/11/2014 04:22:57] : the biggest edge in the HS hyper sats
[06/11/2014 04:23:03] : is who can stall the best
[06/11/2014 04:23:05] : it starts hand #1
[06/11/2014 04:23:14] Patrick Leonard: haha srsl?
[06/11/2014 04:23:17] : yuppp
[06/11/2014 04:23:19] : literally have charts
[06/11/2014 04:23:22] : that help me stall
[06/11/2014 04:23:28] Patrick Leonard: ahahahah
[06/11/2014 04:23:32] : #sngproblems
[06/11/2014 04:23:33]: :d
[06/11/2014 04:23:37] Patrick Leonard: so sick
[06/11/2014 04:23:51] l: yea its quite absurd, if u dont stall in the HS sats, v tough to win
[06/11/2014 04:23:54] : even some of the recs stall
[06/11/2014 04:23:56] : who play a lot
[06/11/2014 04:23:59] Patrick Leonard: wow
[06/11/2014 04:24:07] : yea like *******
[06/11/2014 04:24:09] : will stall
[06/11/2014 04:24:11] : its obnoxious lol
[06/11/2014 04:24:21] : when i was mixing during wcoop
[06/11/2014 04:24:26] : i had 3 different blind timers going lolll
[06/11/2014 04:24:34] l: 1 for ht sats, 1 for 25bb 6m hts, 1 for my turbos

[Honeybadger]

There must be something inherently wrong with a game structured in such a way that a winning strategy kills the game.

[The Camel]

There must be something inherently wrong with a game structured in such a way that a winning strategy kills the game.

It's why I sopped playing hyper turbos.

Why Stars don't make each level a certain number of hands (10? 8?) rather than 3 minutes I have no idea.

[arbboy]

the good regs on betfair were doing this years ago.  Clock management has always been a big factor in turbo stts either snap folding or tank folding depending on what suits your situation.  Surely can't be anything new on stars?  Still makes me laugh in dtd sats when people ask why you are timebanking when it's hand for hand and they have no idea it's for this reason.

[arbboy]

There must be something inherently wrong with a game structured in such a way that a winning strategy kills the game.

It's why I sopped playing hyper turbos.

Why Stars don't make each level a certain number of hands (10? 8?) rather than 3 minutes I have no idea.

Makes games slower and punters will play less games in a session and they will make less rake.  Can't be any other reason surely?

[smurf]

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[Longines]

the good regs on betfair were doing this years ago.  Clock management has always been a big factor in turbo stts either snap folding or tank folding depending on what suits your situation.  Surely can't be anything new on stars?  Still makes me laugh in dtd sats when people ask why you are timebanking when it's hand for hand and they have no idea it's for this reason.

Ladbrokes *way* back in the day had 'ultra hyper turbo' 10 seat sats to their nightly big game. IIRC start with 10BB and by the second hand the BB was like 5x the average stack, time bank was still 30 seconds. Usually got around 100 runners and made 10 seats.

A few of us quickly caught on that if everyone limped the first hand, max timebanked the flop, turn and river to a 10 way showdown then 9 of you were probably going to get a seat.

Took Lads quite a while to catch on.

[arbboy]

the good regs on betfair were doing this years ago.  Clock management has always been a big factor in turbo stts either snap folding or tank folding depending on what suits your situation.  Surely can't be anything new on stars?  Still makes me laugh in dtd sats when people ask why you are timebanking when it's hand for hand and they have no idea it's for this reason.

Ladbrokes *way* back in the day had 'ultra hyper turbo' 10 seat sats to their nightly big game. IIRC start with 10BB and by the second hand the BB was like 5x the average stack, time bank was still 30 seconds. Usually got around 100 runners and made 10 seats.

A few of us quickly caught on that if everyone limped the first hand, max timebanked the flop, turn and river to a 10 way showdown then 9 of you were probably going to get a seat.

Took Lads quite a while to catch on.

Optimal time banking in low level sats is a key part of any players edge IMO.