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« on: April 03, 2006, 03:51:31 PM »

Does anyone here pay their own national insurance contributions?  Is it something I should be doing if i'm not employed?   What are the disadvantages to not paying it and how would I go about it anyway??
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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2006, 03:53:06 PM »

And, as a supplementary Question, how does this affect retired people?

Hypothetical question, of course.
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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2006, 03:57:44 PM »

I'm self employed and I pay minimum contributions but they are reduced.  There is a minimum amount I can pay (can't remember how much but it's only about £15 per month or so) but if I want to then I can pay voluntary contributions on top which will be at the level that normal salaried people pay.  I guess that I won't get much when I retire!  I don't really know how it works though.

Best thing is to phone the contributions office and have a chat with them if you are unsure.
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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2006, 05:16:20 PM »

Hey,

An ex of mine was a tax consultant and I got the same letter that I'm assuming you've got about how you should pay it. I got it about 3 years ago and have ignored it every year. Her argument was that as long as I get a graduate job when I leave uni, the national insurance contributions I'll pay over the course of my working life will make up for the amount I'm missing out on not paying now.

If you want more info, email me. Also, how did everyone get on at St Andrews at the weekend? You thinking about going to the Oxford Cup?
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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2006, 05:20:38 PM »

on top of the national insurance contributions i pay as part of my main employment i also pay additional self employed contributions as i also have my own business. these additional contributions as a self employed worked is £2.10 per week (about £110 a year)
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« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2006, 06:01:32 PM »

Ok cheers I'll phone the contributions office tomorrow and see what they say, It's not just now its if after I leave Uni I still play poker full time then I should think I'd need to pay something to cover healthcare and stuff. Who knows.

Didn't do too well at the weekend, lost all my races which doesn't help but should have built on the big stack I built up in the first two hours.  Not sure about the oxford cup, i may come down for the main event.  If the company is anything like that I experienced at St Andrews from that neck of the woods then it would seriously put me off.  Do lots of other Uni's go to it or is it mainly Oxford and Cambridge?
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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2006, 07:54:37 AM »

Well Chief.
Being a poker player and deriving your 'income' from poker doesn't officially class you as self-employed.  Self employment is defined as someone who has a business and is liable fo tax and NI contributions. i had this conversation with the tax office about a year ago - they actually class professional gamblers as 'retired' - you are not liable for tax or NI on gambling earnings however should you be in a position where you think you may at some point retun to 'normal' employment and want to draw a state pension at 65 the advice was to make voluntary contributions to your NI stamp.  This allows you to maintain a required level of contributions to become eligible for benefits such as state pension when you get to Tikay's age.  You can either do this monthly or as a lump sum at the end of the year or pretty much whenever you like.  The best thing to do as others have already said is to phone the Inland Revenue and chat it through with them.
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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2006, 08:18:44 AM »

on top of the national insurance contributions i pay as part of my main employment i also pay additional self employed contributions as i also have my own business. these additional contributions as a self employed worked is £2.10 per week (about £110 a year)

You might want to check this out with the NIC officer at your Tax Office. Sounds like you are paying twice for the same thing. Class 2 (self employed) and Class 1 (Employed) NICs contribute to the same thing (State Pension, JSA).
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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2006, 12:09:06 PM »

http://www.direct.gov.uk/MoneyTaxAndBenefits/Taxes/BeginnersGuideToTax/BeginnersGuideToTaxArticles/fs/en?CONTENT_ID=4015904&chk=izW7Qe

National InsuranceYou pay National Insurance contributions (NICs) to build up your entitlement to certain social security benefits, including the State Pension. The type and level of NIC you pay depends on how much you earn and whether you’re employed or self employed. You stop paying NICs when you reach State Retirement age.

Who pays National Insurance?
You pay NICs if you are an employee or self-employed and you are aged 16 and over, providing your earnings are more than a certain level. You stop paying NICs at State Retirement age. This is currently 65 for men and 60 for women but will gradually increase to 65 for women over the period 2010 to 2020.


Your National Insurance number
Your National Insurance number (NI number) is your own personal account number. The number ensures that the National Insurance contributions and the tax you pay are properly recorded on your account. It also acts as a reference number for the whole social security system.

Who uses your NI number?
The only people you should ever give your NI number to are:

HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC)
your employer
Jobcentre Plus, if you claim Jobseeker's Allowance
your local council, if you claim Housing Benefit
Entitlement to many benefits depends on your National Insurance contribution record (see 'Benefits that depend on NICs' below) so it's very important not to give your number to anyone else.




How to get an NI number
If you don't already have a NI number you must apply for one:

as soon as you start work
as soon as you or your partner claims benefit
To be able to apply you must be:

over 16 years of age
resident in Great Britain (England, Wales or Scotland)
You apply through your local Jobcentre Plus, Jobcentre or social security office who will arrange an interview with you.

If you are a parent or guardian and receiving Child Benefit, any children you care for will automatically get a card showing their NI number just before they reach the age of 16.


Find your local Jobcentre Plus office (opens new window)
More on applying for an NI number on HMRC website (opens new window)

National Insurance Rates
The following amounts apply for the 2005-2006 tax year:

If you're employed

if you earn above £94 a week (the 'earnings threshold') and up to £630 per week you pay 11 per cent of this amount as 'Class 1' NICs
you also pay one per cent of earnings above £630 a week as Class 1 NICs
you will pay a lower amount as an employee if you are a member of your employer's contracted out pension scheme
Use this calculator to check NI figures on your payslip (opens new window)



If you're self-employed

you pay 'Class 2' NICs at a flat rate weekly amount of £2.10
you also pay 'Class 4' NICs as a percentage of your taxable profits - you pay eight per cent on annual taxable profits between £4,895 and £32,760 and one per cent on any taxable profit over that amount
if your earnings in the 2005-2006 tax year are expected to be less than £4,345 then you may be entitled to the Small Earnings Exception (SEE), meaning you don't have to pay any Class 2 NICs - you can apply for SEE for the 2005-2006 tax year on form CF10
Check current NIC rates on HMRC website (opens new window)
Download Small Earnings Exception helpnotes and claim form CF10 (PDF document, 925K) (opens new window)
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Benefits that depend on NIC contributions
Your entitlement to the following benefits and/or the amount you can get will depend on your (or in some cases your spouse or civil partner's) NIC contributions:

Contribution based Jobseeker's Allowance (Class 1 NICs only)
Incapacity Benefit (if you can't work for long periods due to illness or injury)
State Pension
additional State Pension (Class 1 NICs only)
Widowed Parents' Allowance
Bereavement Allowance
Bereavement Payment
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2006, 06:58:28 PM »

Thanks guys, very helpful.
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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2006, 08:26:03 PM »

i aint paid a bean, since ive been playing for a living, the rake is my tax.....  i may even go on the doll to help my rakeback fund, ive worked for 4 years why shouldnt i have a bit back? (was joking with the doll but...... lol)  sign me UP
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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2006, 12:26:16 AM »

Poker players need only to pay the voluntary NI contribution if they so wish as their income is non-taxable.

The only important point to remember about paying a voluntary contribution is it is only worthwhile if you are going to have other income and/or a significant amount capital when you reach retirement.  Everyone is guaranteed a minimum income that is much greater than the basic non-means tested state pension even if they have never paid a single NI contribution.

 
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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2006, 11:56:18 PM »

Everyone is guaranteed a minimum income that is much greater than the basic non-means tested state pension even if they have never paid a single NI contribution.

 

I really wouldn't bank on that in 30 or 40 years time.  Anyone seriously playing poker for a living should be aspiring to put aside at least 20% of their earnings, mainlly so that they can p off to a country that won't tax the life out of them to pay for welfare of those that didn't bother.
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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2006, 03:18:18 AM »

Well Chief.
Being a poker player and deriving your 'income' from poker doesn't officially class you as self-employed.  Self employment is defined as someone who has a business and is liable fo tax and NI contributions. i had this conversation with the tax office about a year ago - they actually class professional gamblers as 'retired' - you are not liable for tax or NI on gambling earnings however should you be in a position where you think you may at some point retun to 'normal' employment and want to draw a state pension at 65 the advice was to make voluntary contributions to your NI stamp.  This allows you to maintain a required level of contributions to become eligible for benefits such as state pension when you get to Tikay's age.  You can either do this monthly or as a lump sum at the end of the year or pretty much whenever you like.  The best thing to do as others have already said is to phone the Inland Revenue and chat it through with them.

What?
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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2006, 08:09:22 AM »

are you saying i aint clear? Cheesy
....just talk to the inland rev is probably the best advice.
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