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« Reply #45 on: June 10, 2006, 12:16:10 PM »

I don't doubt the fact that England have  couple of World Class players in their team but I tend to agree with what Flushy says.  They don't have the tactical awreness to change things when it starts to go pear shaped.

John Terry and Steven Gerrard for me are the two best players in ther positiona nd would walk into any team on the planet.  Probelm is though for Gerrard that Sven doesn't give him the freedom he needs to be able to produce his most outstanding performance.

The rest of the team has some good players, Beckham can cross and pass a ball but when he's stuck on the right habd side he gives you nothing unless he has the ball at his feet. 

Paul Roboinson is the ebst English goalkeeper bu that doesn;t say much as most of the top clubs in the Premiership have stoppers other clubs.  I would say that Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man United and  Newcastle all have beeter goalies.

Gary Neville is an experienced right back who gets foward hes dependable and solid but put him up against anyone with pace and skill and he will be slaughtered.

Rio is Mr Cool, makes too many silly mistakes yes he was a top defender 4 years ago bit now he owuldn't even get a starting place for me.

Ashley Cole, he is a great wingback brilliant and getting foward but not the best defender in the world.

Frank Lampard, great goal scoring midfielder but like there are tons of them throughout Europe.

Joe Cole is tricky but there not always an end product.

Owen is a natural goal scorer and as long as chances are amde he will score but again there are many better players for other nations.

Crouch, well  why is he going in the first place?  I have never rated the guy.  I think its a crying shame that hes going and a cracking player like Jermaine Defoe isn't.  Sure he has scored a few goals of late but as soon as he misses a few chances the head goes down and he couldn't hit a barn door.

 
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« Reply #46 on: June 11, 2006, 04:16:12 PM »

This "world class team" got ourplayed by Paraquay, nuff said.
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« Reply #47 on: June 11, 2006, 04:28:40 PM »

This "world class team" got ourplayed by Paraquay, nuff said.

In the 2nd half yes. Not in the first whatsoever.
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« Reply #48 on: June 11, 2006, 04:48:23 PM »

OK Baron Ill give it a bash,

player for player I'd say Italy have a stronger team than England-and altho Im scottish this is a strictly objective view:

Buffon(best Keeper in the world and better than Robinson by a stretch)

Zacardo(inexperienced and untested tho had a great season in serie A but Neville would win this battle due to experience)

Centre backs: Cannavaro and Nesta(John terry is on par with these players but the rest of england centre halfs are not anywhere near-possibly the best centre back partnership in the tournament)

Zambrotta: superb Juventus Fullback with vast experience, different type of fullback than Cole, a bit more defensive but rock solid and probably a better defender than cole tho for coles attacking abilities I would tie this

Camoranesi: has proved one of the best attacking midfielders in the past 12 months and everybit as good as Lampard if not better- would also tie this between the 2

Pirlo: has been excellent for Milan for the past 2 years his dead ball freekicks are more deadly than Beckhams and he would win this battle for me-even though Beckham has played well over the past 6 months Pirlo is technically a better player tho less experienced

Gattusso: excellent player who always fights for everything-a lot more defensive than Gerrard but never gives up. Gerrad IMO is the on form player at the moment and probably the best midfielder in the world at the moment-including over Ronaldinho so Gerrad would have to win this

Totti: I think Italy will play Totti on the left and by default wins hands down against any left sided midfielders England have, hes superb tho his temperament lets him down a bit- Joe cole looks likely to be employed down the left and although had a great season with Chelsea and got all the tricks in the book Totti is by a country mile a better player who also scores a lot more Goals

Laca Toni: Italys poacher and first player to score over 30 goals in serie A in something like 40 years- in terms of recent form better than, Crouch better than Owen, better than Walcott-simply superb player and expect him at Milan or Juve either this year or next

Del Piero: not had the greatest of seasons tho still a mainstay in the Juve squad-his last world cup and he'll want to make it a good one-last chance to get his hands on the world cup: over Rooney: if Rooney is only half fit I think Del Piero would win the battle but a fully fit Rooney is better-results pending depending which rooney you have

overall I would say Italy have a better 11 first team starters BUT they also have quality in depth- they have numerous players who can come in and cover for any of these players: Gilardino, Rossi, Inzaghi, peruzzi, Materazzi, Perotta, Iaquinta



Good choices Hairy.

I agree about Buffon and Zacardo. The centre half pairing is splitting hairs IMO. Both England's and yours are fantastic - there's nothing between them. Zambrotta plays on the right? Anyway he is a fantastic player and I would match with Cole yes but probably put him ahead of Neville.

Camoranesi I always hear great things about but he never does it where it matters - in the Champions League. I rate Lampard higher. Gattuso I'm a huge fan of but he wont compare to Gerrard on current form.

Pirlo over Beckham - fair enough. Totti over Cole is a tough one. Over the years I have to agree but in the last 2 years I'm not so sure. Cole has been different class in the the PREM and the CL the last 2 years. Totti suffers from never having left Roma and I don't remember the last good European game he had.

Your striker choices are a bit odd. No Inzaghi, no Gilardino? I do think you have better depth in strikers, I only rate England's first two and neither of them are fit right now. An in form Owen/Rooney I would match against any two though. Unfortunately Owen looks rubbish/unfit and Rooney is buggered.
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« Reply #49 on: June 11, 2006, 05:41:50 PM »

This "world class team" got ourplayed by Paraquay, nuff said.

In the 2nd half yes. Not in the first whatsoever.

Fine, just ask in the next games if England can just play for 45 minutes.....
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« Reply #50 on: June 11, 2006, 05:45:38 PM »

This "world class team" got ourplayed by Paraquay, nuff said.

In the 2nd half yes. Not in the first whatsoever.

Fine, just ask in the next games if England can just play for 45 minutes.....

Not their best performance I admit, in fact they wont go far at all on games like that. The rest of their scheduled kick offs are evening games though so I'm sure they'll improve.

Also playing badly against small teams doesn't stop countries from being world class.

Argentina were matched by Ivory Coast for long periods of their game.

Holland had an even 2nd half vs Serbia.

Sweden couldn't score past a 10 man Trinidad and Tobago.

Are these teams not world class either now?
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« Reply #51 on: June 29, 2006, 06:30:52 PM »

england have a good chance- but the odds are poor, 12-1 and im all over it.
crucial factor being if brazil and england win thier groups they avoid each other till final

they both won there groups and look like playin each other in the semis?
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