Sorel Mizzi Thread on 2+2

[TightPaulFolds]

Pretty scary how easy that sounds to do! Hopefully online sites can develop a way to spot this sort of cheating?

How?  The only thing they can do is to look for players who play in the same tournaments/cash games regularly and look for irregular betting that hints at collusion.  If they can't do it this way, then there isn't anyway they can detect it.  Using remote desktop software is the same as being in front of the other person's computer and using their keyboard and mouse. 

Pretty sure you can scan for (and ban the use of) remote access software, no? Depends on how invasive the site wants to make its software I guess. FTP say they 'don't know even what you're browsing' but Party do (or did) admit to the likes of screen-scraping, which is an incredible invasion of privacy. And could reveal some remote desktop usage.

[kinboshi]

Pretty scary how easy that sounds to do! Hopefully online sites can develop a way to spot this sort of cheating?

How?  The only thing they can do is to look for players who play in the same tournaments/cash games regularly and look for irregular betting that hints at collusion.  If they can't do it this way, then there isn't anyway they can detect it.  Using remote desktop software is the same as being in front of the other person's computer and using their keyboard and mouse. 

they can ban the use of remote desktop software if they see it as a serious problem. should be able to detect it shouldn't they?

How?

The software itself is being 'used' locally.  It's only the computer's display that is being transmitted from the computer via the RDP, and the keyboard and mouse input being sent the other way to the computer.  How would the software distinguish between a local input or a remote one?

There are probably ways of doing this with firewalls or other software being installed on the client machine - but can't see how this would a feasible option for a poker site.

[CelticGeezeer]

They could incorporate the spying software in their poker client.

[StuartHopkin]

Pretty scary how easy that sounds to do! Hopefully online sites can develop a way to spot this sort of cheating?

How?  The only thing they can do is to look for players who play in the same tournaments/cash games regularly and look for irregular betting that hints at collusion.  If they can't do it this way, then there isn't anyway they can detect it.  Using remote desktop software is the same as being in front of the other person's computer and using their keyboard and mouse. 

they can ban the use of remote desktop software if they see it as a serious problem. should be able to detect it shouldn't they?

How?

The software itself is being 'used' locally.  It's only the computer's display that is being transmitted from the computer via the RDP, and the keyboard and mouse input being sent the other way to the computer.  How would the software distinguish between a local input or a remote one?

There are probably ways of doing this with firewalls or other software being installed on the client machine - but can't see how this would a feasible option for a poker site.

Terminate all known remote desktop software processes every five minutes.

Sure would make them popular with people trying to work at the same time as play a comp!

[gatso]

How?

The software itself is being 'used' locally.  It's only the computer's display that is being transmitted from the computer via the RDP, and the keyboard and mouse input being sent the other way to the computer.  How would the software distinguish between a local input or a remote one?

they already do it for a number of progs that are run locally, why not for these if they decided they were a problem?

[kinboshi]

I'd love to see a way a poker site could stop me from RDPing into a machine that is running a different version of Windows in a virtual environment in which I've installed and am running the poker software.

Really don't see how they'd be able to stop me from doing this, unless they impose some ridiculously draconian rules on their software that stops it running unless it's in a very specific operating environment.  To do this, they'd probably have to supply the hardware as well as the software!

[thetank]

I'd love to see a way a poker site could stop me from RDPing into a machine that is running a different version of Windows in a virtual environment in which I've installed and am running the poker software.

Really don't see how they'd be able to stop me from doing this, unless they impose some ridiculously draconian rules on their software that stops it running unless it's in a very specific operating environment.  To do this, they'd probably have to supply the hardware as well as the software!

Hide your comics?

[Bongo]

Why bother with remote desktop just buy multiple PCs and multiple internet connections. If it's that profitable to cheat the cost won't be prohibitive - would only need dirt cheap PCs to play poker on and a decent server to host your tracking db.

[AlexMartin]

just wanna hear more about the middy story tbh- sounds quality, i met sorel once, thought he was ridiculously rude and a bit of a cock.

[DMorgan]

I'd love to see a way a poker site could stop me from RDPing into a machine that is running a different version of Windows in a virtual environment in which I've installed and am running the poker software.

Really don't see how they'd be able to stop me from doing this, unless they impose some ridiculously draconian rules on their software that stops it running unless it's in a very specific operating environment.  To do this, they'd probably have to supply the hardware as well as the software!

They know when you're running prohibited software like ICM calculators. You get a popup message in the lobby telling you to close it. Could they not just do the same for the programs/processes that make this possible?

[SuuPRlim]

just wanna hear more about the middy story tbh- sounds quality, i met sorel once, thought he was ridiculously rude and a bit of a cock.

fraid it's been prohibited from display in the public eye

[Bongo]

I'd love to see a way a poker site could stop me from RDPing into a machine that is running a different version of Windows in a virtual environment in which I've installed and am running the poker software.

Really don't see how they'd be able to stop me from doing this, unless they impose some ridiculously draconian rules on their software that stops it running unless it's in a very specific operating environment.  To do this, they'd probably have to supply the hardware as well as the software!

They know when you're running prohibited software like ICM calculators. You get a popup message in the lobby telling you to close it. Could they not just do the same for the programs/processes that make this possible?

Not when you run it on a different instance of windows.

[JBravo]

I'd love to see a way a poker site could stop me from RDPing into a machine that is running a different version of Windows in a virtual environment in which I've installed and am running the poker software.

Really don't see how they'd be able to stop me from doing this, unless they impose some ridiculously draconian rules on their software that stops it running unless it's in a very specific operating environment.  To do this, they'd probably have to supply the hardware as well as the software!

They know when you're running prohibited software like ICM calculators. You get a popup message in the lobby telling you to close it. Could they not just do the same for the programs/processes that make this possible?

Not when you run it on a different instance of windows.

If i was gonna do something like that then I'd pay to get the sharing software written (well i'd nock it up in 4 or 5 hours), no way anyone can tell what the process is using freely or commercialy available software is just stupid. I'm in no doubt that this is going on now accross all sites, there is too much money to be made for it not to be happening. 
Where there's money there will be a crooked eliment looking to get their mits on it.

sorel is a tool if this is true.

[thetank]

(well i'd nock it up in 4 or 5 hours)

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